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Karl Rove and James Carville duked out 2012 election issues, Mitt Romney, Barack Obama at Ohio State

marrie.6@osu.edu

Published: Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Updated: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 22:09

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Ronna Colilla / Lantern photographer

James Carville and Karl Rove visited OSU Sept. 18 as part of an OUAB-sponsored debate, which centered on the 2012 election and was held in Mershon Auditorium.


James Carville and Karl Rove might have been under pressure when they formerly served as presidential aides under President Bill Clinton and President George W. Bush, respectively. But Tuesday they were under a different type of pressure — the microscope of an auditorium full of college students.

As part of an Ohio Union Activities Board-sponsored event, Democrat Carville and Republican Rove conducted a debate on the 2012 election Tuesday in Mershon Auditorium.

The debate lasted a little over an hour and provided time at the end for questions tweeted by students.

Ohio State professor of political science Herb Asher mediated the event.

“I think that those in the presidential debates should take advice from the speakers tonight,” Asher said.

The debate started when Asher asked if America is better off now than four years ago.

“Yes,” Rove said. “(President Barack) Obama brought the war to an end, and, with the Patriot Act, America is safer.”

But Rove continued on to say with the devastating rate of unemployment and the dropped median household income, economically, America is not better off.

The debaters were animated throughout the event, often abandoning their podiums to address the crowd more directly. Carville heavily referenced charts, while Rove countered his arguments.

From the loud applause that followed each speaker’s arguments, it was evident the audience was comprised of a sufficient mix of political parties. While Carville used humor to convey his points and hold the students’ attention, Rove addressed the audience in a strong, bellowing manner.

Main issues addressed were the economy, national debt, increasing political polarization of Congress and the future of political parties. The analysts also offered background on their career accomplishments.

Neither speaker hesitated to attack the other’s respective political party at any opportunity.

“States that have Republican governors are statistically better than states without them,” Rove said. He then expressed his disdain for Obama’s negligence to take responsibility for the problems in the U.S.

Later on in the debate, Carville got a laugh out of the audience when he made fun of Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney.

“I’m glad Romney ran,” Carville said. “Every time I look at Mitt Romney, I think of Indiana football.”

Last season, Indiana football went 1-11.

Carville also said Romney was “not an impressive candidate.”

At one point in debating the current state of the economy, Carville blamed Bush’s tax cuts and said, “Obama has created more jobs in four years than Bush did in eight.”

Without hesitation, Rove gave his own stance.

“If Bush’s tax cuts are to blame for the economy, why didn’t Obama revoke them as soon as he got into office?” Rove said. “In fact, he gave them an extension.”

One exchange stemmed from a new provision of Obama’s health care plan that offers free contraceptive service to women. Catholic organizations and other religious groups have filed lawsuits against the provision.

Interrupting Rove’s response, Carville said: “Do you know what percentage of Catholic women use birth control? 98 percent.”

Later, Rove referenced the Sept. 11 assassination of Chris Stevens, who was the U.S. ambassador in Libya.

“I don’t think it was an accident that one of our ambassadors was killed on 9/11,” Rove said. “That date may be receding from our minds, but it’s not (receding) from Jihads’.”

Rove then mentioned the possibility of an “October surprise,” which is a news event that has the capacity to change the result of the November election.

Another quotable moment occurred when Carville pointed out that while Republicans are focusing on the older, white vote, they are losing the young. Meanwhile, Democrats are gaining educated women, he said.

“When we lost Bubba with the gun rack in the back of the truck, little did we know we were picking up Ashley with the MBA,” Carville said.

Just about the only topic the polar-opposite analysts agreed on was that gerrymandering, or redrawing of district lines to favor a certain party, is a problem in politics today.

As the debate drew to a close, Asher asked one last question: “What makes Ohio so special?”

Apart from being a swing state, it’s because Ohio consists of “confident people who don’t need their egos struck,” Rove said.

The crowd flocked into the lobby after the debate, where Carville’s and Rove’s latest books, titled “It’s the Middle Class, Stupid!” and “Courage and Consequence,” respectively, were available for signing.

Some students seemed hyped-up after the debate, ready to express their own opinions.

Erik Leiden, a second-year in international business and political science, said he came to hear the debate because he is questioning who he will support in November. But the debate did not sway him either way.

“They both made a lot of points, that, if they were to be fact checked, wouldn’t show up too well,” Leiden said. “Carville was an incredible showman, whereas Rove’s a great statesman. It was incredible to watch their two debate styles, side by side.”

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4 comments

Anonymous
Thu Sep 20 2012 13:20
well actually I am a independent voter and vote for the person not the party. I am actually a self employed and the government didn't help me. You could tell your current admistration that . Also, just for the record I went to private schools and yet paid my taxes to the local school district. The private school was not union and put out product(students) that were very productive in life and most likely pay their taxes as they should. Matter in fact students that graduated from this non-union school own businesses and employe people so they could be productive members of society and pay their taxes not waiting for handouts from the government , that is not the answer. Who will pay for this calamity of errors from the current administratiion most likely your children if you are capable of bearing them or according to this administration you could adbort them and the tax payers will pay for it.......there is an intelligent decision. God Bless You and help you understand what relly is going on in this country.
Anonymous
Thu Sep 20 2012 10:51
i can see a true republican ( anonymous 1 ) who would vote for any republican even if his name was osama bin, get real with out the unions you probably would not have your education & the unions DO support joe the plumber , yes America wake up we need obama for four more years!!!!!!!
Anonymous
Thu Sep 20 2012 09:44
Carville needs to get in touch with the real world. He and those like him is why the US is heading in the direction that we are going and it is not even close to Forward. All he does is beat the Dem drum over and over and over again. You could put a monkey on the ballot with a D by its name and he and all like him would support the party line. It is time to wake up America. Talk is cheap real results is what we need and the last 4 years its been talk no results. We our country owe more than any time in history combined. Jobs...that is a funny word. Notice the Dems only support large union not Joe the Plumber type like most of us. Oh yeah try to get a Government job unless you know someone as a political payback. Please America wake up....It is time to Fire...........the person not doing their job in November.
Anonymous
Thu Sep 20 2012 00:52
Duke, not duked...




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