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Activists protest amendment that will ban insurance coverage for abortions

cubert.1@osu.edu

Published: Wednesday, December 2, 2009

Updated: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 19:12

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The Lantern

Despite wet and gloomy weather, around 15 Ohio State activists lined up along High Street Wednesday to speak out against the proposed Stupak Amendment.

The protesters gathered in front of the Wexner Center for the Arts to collect signatures on a petition against the amendment, which would "ban private and public health insurance that covers abortion care for millions of women," according to a pamphlet from Planned Parenthood.

Jon Plappert, a student in communication, was one of the first to sign the petition.

"I've always felt that people should always have a choice no matter what," he said. "We should have the right to choose whatever is right for us."

Leah Apothaker, a first-year in political science, held a sign in the shape of a tombstone that read "R.I.P. Reproductive Rights" and asked people to sign the petition.

"I'm not going to be silenced. If I can get one person to sign the petition and give them information, that's what I want to do," she said. "Obama promised us we wouldn't lose our rights with the new health care plan. I'm gonna hold him to it."

The reaction of the people passing by was positive, said Ellen Weissfeld, a third-year in political science and one of the organizers of the protest. Weissfeld is the president of VOX, voices for planned parenthood at Ohio State. Members of VOX and other groups participated in the event.

"People are eager to get involved and show support," she said.
She said passage of the Stupak Amendment would be a setback to women's reproductive rights.

Weissfeld said about 30 signatures were added to petitions.

"The Stupak amendment will prohibit millions of women from using their own personal money to buy private health insurance that provides comprehensive reproductive benefits," she said. 

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20 comments

Jimmy Baggs
Thu Dec 10 2009 16:06
@Kemba: Your argument's logic is based in the fact that what the government does with our tax dollars is somewhat out of our control. But just because a portion of the population "wants" something that it believes to be a "right" doesn't mean it should be funded through tax dollars. I "want" a brand new LED Samsung TV, but that doesn't mean its a "right" because another 25% of the population wants one that the government should pay for them. It is however, my right to use my income (left over from egregious taxation) to purchase said LED TV, or abortion.
Doug
Mon Dec 7 2009 12:34
If you want an abortion, pay for it yourself. What's so complicated about this????

No women's rights are being stepped on by saying ' pay for it yourself'.

What's wrong with forcing people to take responsibility for their actions???

JB
Sat Dec 5 2009 23:21
This is ridiculous! The government should pay for our abortions! Screw what some Christian so called "God" says, this isn't the middle ages. Those pro-lifers act like they should have a say where their tax dollars should go or something!

Those pro-lifers act like abortions are evil, like we're killing babies or something..

/sarcasm off

Murrow
Fri Dec 4 2009 15:39
“The Stupak amendment will prohibit millions of women from using their own personal money to buy private health insurance that provides comprehensive reproductive benefits,”

I'm not sure how she has reached that conclusion. I don't read that in the language nor does it seem implied by the construct. From one online review:

"Specifically, the Stupak amendment would prohibit federal dollars from being used to buy any policy offered through the exchange that covered abortions other than those related to rape, incest or danger to the mother's life. It also would require insurers that offered elective abortion coverage through the exchange to also offer policies "identical in every respect" except that they did not cover such abortions.

The main effects of the amendment would be to stop anyone receiving a federal subsidy from buying a comprehensive health insurance policy that covered elective abortions, and to bar the proposed government-run insurance plan (a.k.a. the "public option") from covering such procedures. The amendment would allow insurers to offer "supplemental" policies that covered abortions, but their customers could not use federal subsidies to buy them."

It seems that the author is reading more into the amendment than the language suggests.

Odie Irizarry
Thu Dec 3 2009 19:35
So then no insurance should pay for Cialis, Viagra or Levitra those make babys that people dont want! and condoms should be free at all times!
Mike Busch
Thu Dec 3 2009 16:54
@Mark N. - Sorry for my mistake in labeling Congressman Stupak a Republican. I still feel that the Stupak Amendment weakens the bill and makes it less attractive for most Dems (which for the GOP is a huge win). The Catholic/Christian base of both parties has legitimate concerns based on their moral (or religious) beliefs, but those should be discussed as a part of separate legislation and not as an amendment to the full healthcare bill. Abortion legislation should be passed/defeated on its own right, and not as part of another issue. Just my opinion.

@Garrett - What part of a PLANNED pregnancy is "unexpected"? In your own words, "the whole purpose of insurance is to cover unforeseen situations". I'm happy to give you no coverage for abortion, if you also make it mandatory that planned pregnancies also not be covered.

Maddox for Pres 2016
Thu Dec 3 2009 16:42
Everyone here should stop arguing and look into the Regressive Party's stance on abortion.

We're neither pro-choice, nor pro-life. We're pro-you-shutting-the-hell-up.

Brandon S.
Thu Dec 3 2009 16:17
I think that people are getting so caught up in the "principle of the matter", that they're not looking at the big picture.

The Christian-Right loves to clamor about how they "don't want to have to pay for some irresponsible (read slutty) girl to abort the God-given miracle of birth." Would you rather pay to keep someone in a hospital for months when their years of a McDonald's diet catches up with them? Do you love your taxes paying for a Hoveround chair for someone too fat to walk around their own home? (Remember, Medicare pays for that.)
Pro-Life folk are DEFINITELY entitled to their opinion, and are more than welcome to stand on soapboxes preaching their beliefs to everyone that will listen. That is the great thing about this country, and is one of the reasons why I am proudly serving in the military.
What I have trouble with, is exactly what someone pointed out earlier... the amendment states that : “The Stupak amendment will prohibit millions of women from using their own PERSONAL money to buy PRIVATE health insurance that provides comprehensive reproductive benefits.”

While abortion is what everyone is focusing on here, the WHOLE point is a loss for women's rights! Why take rights away from anybody? If you're going to attack abortion, then attack it! It's your choice. Don't take rights away from women who are not doing anything against the law.

Garrett
Thu Dec 3 2009 14:35
No matter whether it's morally right or wrong, health insurance should not cover a procedure unless it's medically necessary. The whole purpose of insurance is to cover unforeseen situations, which an abortion "usually" isn't. Plain and simple. Abusing insurance like this is why it's so damn expensive.
Your name
Thu Dec 3 2009 14:20
So you think that my tax dollars should go to kill your baby? Have you thought about anyone else but yourself lately? Just go out and have unbridled sex, get pregnant and then make the baby pay for your sinful lifestyle. There is no reason for an abortion even in the case of rape. Women who are raped should not fix the problem with another mistake - WHAT ABOUT THE BABY? You make a mistake and then the baby pays with his or her life? HAVE YOU EVER SEEN PICTURES OF AN ABORTED BABY? the agony they go through when their legs and arms are torn from their bodies or their skull is crushed. You think that should be apart of the new health care plan? Health care is supposed to make people healthy!! Pregnancy is not a sickness!! Abortion is genocide. Abortion is not another form of birth control either. Abortion is murder. President Obama has no regard for human life - he would even see his daughter kill his own grandchild. What kind of grandfather would rather see his grandchild die - are your children a choice or a person? this health care bill had better not pass because every single congressman who votes for it needs to lose their seat in Congress - if you are for this bill, you are in the minority!
Mark N.
Thu Dec 3 2009 13:47
Excuse me, Mike Busch, but Stupak is a Democrat. That's right, part of the historical DP urban-Catholic grassroots. Stupak did a great thing: now we can combine compassion with the ethics of life. Thanks to him, the reform bill passed the House with the support of Catholic bishops, not one of whom supported it before. But of course the feminazis and PC fascists in his own party will savage him, because he has the audicity to oppose pre-natal baby murder.
Your name
Thu Dec 3 2009 12:08
I find it very frustrating that every anti-abortion commenter has basically stated that a woman gets pregnant because she is irresponsible and as Ms. Emily Thompson so eloquently stated "because you can't keep your legs closed." Things happen and there is no way in a doctor's office to prove how you became pregnant, so in order to provide an abortion to a victim of rape, you need to provide abortions to women who know that they cannot emotionally or monetarily raise a child.

The bill does not state that taxpayers are paying for abortions. It's stating that women covered by the government tax plans cannot get an abortion, even if they are paying for it themselves.
That is the scandal. That's the outrage.
The article states this in its final lines.

Mike Busch
Thu Dec 3 2009 10:57
@Emily Thompson - So by the same logic, a planned pregnancy should not be covered by tax payer subsidized insurance either. They made a CHOICE to get pregnant, so by your logic they should "Deal with it and pay for it [themselves]". Can you see the DOUBLE STANDARD?

The Stupak Amendment is just a political maneuver by a floundering GOP (in danger of having Healthcare pass) to give Liberal Democrats a reason to vote against a Healthcare bill that will otherwise HELP MILLIONS OF OUR FELLOW AMERICANS. Its shallow and it's wrong.

Sarah
Thu Dec 3 2009 10:51
Sigh...There was no confusion on the protest. Women should have the option of insurance coverage to pay for abortions. A ban on coverage of abortions is in essence- a ban on abortion. Abortions can cost as much as $3,000 and what number of women/couples can front that much money? A ban on coverage is basically saying that women who get pregnant by a condom or other contraceptive failure, rape, or incest are not valid reasons to have coverage for an abortion. And yes, I add rape and incest because these crimes are vastly, VASTLY under-reported. So there are probably many abortions happening due to these two things that are seen as merely because the woman wasn't "careful."
People preach that they don't want to "pick up the tab" and if you say that then, you should not be in the public option itself. Everyone in the option is- in a sense- going to help "pick up the tab" for other people.
Another fact: right now the abortion rate for women living in poverty is 4x that of those not in poverty. Are you saying that poor women shouldn't have the option to abort a fetus?? (That's right folk, a fetus- not a "baby', "child" or any of those other heart-renching terms that pro-lifers like to throw around.) A fetus that would be another mouth to feed, clothe, and send to school? Sounds like classism to me.
And boys, I don't really care what you have to say. Not your body. But your anti-choice stance will affect you-it will affect your sisters, daughters, aunts, nieces, cousins, girlfriends, wives.

I think I'll end with a quote: “If the anti-abortion movement took a tenth of the energy they put into noisy theatrics and devoted it to improving the lives of children who have been born into lives of poverty, violence, and neglect, they could make a world shine.” - Jay Tucker (and we're on the offense here. WE didn't start this whole Stupak mess.)

Sabra
Thu Dec 3 2009 09:36
Emily Thompson - People choose to get cancer and diabetes all the time that we have to pick up the tab for. I think if the public decides not to pay for abortions (which are cheaper than paying for full-term pregnancies, by the way) then we shouldn't have to pay for lung cancer treatments for smokers or diabetes treatments for people that eat nothing but fast food. Or skin cancer treatments for people that go tanning. Or liver cancer for people that can't control their drinking.

If you really want to play by those rules, then you better make sure you practice what you preach and not smoke, drink alcohol, go tanning, eat fast food, drink soda, or do anything like that. And I hope when that day comes, that you deal with the cancer and diabetes and pay for it yourself.

Lori
Thu Dec 3 2009 09:25
I agree with the previous posters. They have a choice to have sex or not. They have a choice to have an abortion or not. When they are asking tax payers to pay for their abortion they are taking away others choice to NOT support abortion.
Kemba Nzinga
Thu Dec 3 2009 09:21
If you pay taxes, your tax money pays for killing babies in Iraq and Afghanistan; our tax money pays for not growing crops in Mississippi (subsidies to rich landowners not to plant crops), our tax money pays for housing criminals in luxury federal prisons, our tax money helps pay for your education at OSU; our tax money pays for several things that individual taxpayers do not like. But this is suppose to be a representative democracy and we are supposed to be looking out for the "greatest good", not just the good of the wealthy or good of the Right to Life, not just the good of those at OSU, or not just the good of those in Congress. Maybe, we should learn how to be a better United States citizen and learn what this country says that it stands for.
Emily Thompson
Thu Dec 3 2009 09:12
I think this is ridiculous. Abortion is in no way needed in the health insurance bill. If you get sick then go to the doctor. But because you can't keep your legs closed, I should have to pay for your abortion? I don't think so. (Barring Rape and Incest of course) This had nothing to do with reproductive rights. My right to reproduce is just fine. My right to have the nation to pay for my mistakes? That can't happen. I'm catholic and pro-life, and there's no possible way I would ever pay for this.

Someone doesn't choose to get cancer. You choose to have an abortion. Deal with it and pay for it yourself.

Reason
Thu Dec 3 2009 08:50
I think the 'protesters' are confused here. This isn't saying that you can't get an abortion. It's protecting the taxpayers from paying for your abortion.

Let be clear: If you get sick, you should get medical attention. Everyone should. We can all chip in a little for that. If you want an abortion, plastic surgery, dental work, you pay for it on your own.

And what the heck is "reproductive rights"? Lets be clear on something else. You have the right to reproduce. Abortions are the opposite. GTFO and find something worthwhile to protest.

Mark K.
Thu Dec 3 2009 08:36
But I shouldn't have to pay for you to kill your baby.






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