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Gov. Kasich storms Ohio with Issue 2 rallies

kariuki.2@osu.edu

Published: Tuesday, October 11, 2011

Updated: Saturday, June 16, 2012 01:06

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Courtesy of MCT

Gov. John Kasich is touring Ohio to promote Issue 2 after referendum to the vote on Senate Bill 5.

Some Ohio State students aren't jumping on Governor John Kasich's ‘barn' storming bandwagon for Issue 2.

This week, Kasich is launching a series of pro-Issue 2 rallies in various cities in Ohio. A barn in Logan County was one of the first places Kasich visited Oct. 10.

Kasich encouraged the audience to vote yes on Issue 2, which is a referendum to the vote on Senate Bill 5.

One supporter of Issue 2, betterohio.org said that by voting yes, the law will allow "government employees to give local communities the flexibility they need to get taxes and spending under control."

Opponents of Issue 2 say the law limits collective bargaining among public employees in Ohio.

Voting yes on Issue 2 is a vote in favor of SB 5, voting no is a vote against SB 5.

Kasich said he promotes Issue 2 because of the merit-based pay and the elimination of hiring workers based on longevity.

But some students are not convinced.

Chris Dalton, a first-year in political science, said that Issue 2 is more than merit-based pay and teacher seniority. He said the correlation between Issue 2 and SB 5 is one that is too close to comfort.

"This is one of the most extreme bills I have heard of," Dalton said.

Issue 2 requires people to pay into their retirement and health benefits when they may have never had to do so before. Some say this hurts the middle class economically.

"I think we are hurting the middle class by letting some people pay zero," Kasich said.

Kasich said Issue 2 will actually help middle class workers by ensuring a fair payment from everyone.

However, Dalton said he thinks there are other ways to fix this problem.

"Kasich and other Republicans came into office saying unions have a lot of power," Dalton said.

Dalton said they see this as a way of fixing the problem, but it is just too extreme.

Jimmy Alford, a first-year in international studies, said he does not see any positive outcome if Issue 2 is passed.

"Even if it is something that would help (the economy), it's not the right thing to do," Alfred said.

Many people worry that Issue 2 supports the diminishment of the union's ability to collectively bargain.

Lisa Seiberling, a local teacher at Indianola Alternative Elementary School, said she believes teachers have the right to negotiate and she disagrees with the leaders who support Issue 2.

"The people pushing it are idiotic," Seiberling said.

The timing of Issue 2 is also something that bothers Alford.

"It came at the worst possible time, right after a recession," Alford said.

Many organizations around campus have also been working to inform students about Issue 2 and SB 5.

Dalton said he has been involved with We are Ohio and College Democrats to encourage people to vote no on Issue 2.

Although Issue 2 might not personally affect some college students, it is going to take a little more than ‘barn' rallies to convince some OSU students.

"We may not be generally affected," Dalton said. "But it affects hundreds and thousands of Ohioans, and we are Ohioans."

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35 comments

Anonymous
Sat Oct 22 2011 23:12
I think its easy to see. My house taxes continue to go up because teachers salaries continue to increase even though the economy is bad. In 2006 salaries increased for teachers while millions of people lost their jobs. Their negotiating pay raises even though we are loosing jobs. Everyone has to take paycuts when times are bad, why should teachers be any different. Vote YES on issue two.
Anonymous
Sat Oct 22 2011 20:47
It is amazing to hear all of the republican rhetoric come back as the "truth". I pay for my insurance, pension, and materials form my students. Unfortunately I chose to be a teacher. Why not ask the people in these professions what the truth is? Republicans are banking on your ignorance for a yes vote.

This is crazy!

Anonymous
Mon Oct 17 2011 23:58
I'm amazed that Kasich wants to pass this issue now. The middle class has already been hit hard with the failing economy. Maybe he should volunteer to take a 25% cut on his salary and get his govornor buddies to do the same. That would be a big savings for the state budget.
Anonymous
Sun Oct 16 2011 21:08
"Lisa Seiberling, a local teacher at Indianola Alternative Elementary School, said she believes teachers have the right to negotiate and she disagrees with the leaders who support Issue 2." - she's right, and why can't the teachers negotiate with the sector that provides their wages/private sector vs. union bosses?
This seems to be about unions losing some of their power.
This bill is well planned, and not offensive as some on the left spew - "The people pushing it are idiotic," Seiberling said."
Students should consider both sides of an issue - not just what seems to sound good - "Many organizations around campus have also been working to inform students about Issue 2 and SB 5." - the unions, and the conservatives/non-union arguments should both be given merit.
Anonymous
Sat Oct 15 2011 08:26
@govenment employee.....WOW...10% of your retirement..really....you know what I pay towards miine? Way more!!! Health Insurance? Yeah I pay that too.....I wont bitch about the corporate cronies like you do. am bitching about people like you that somehow got this freaking sense of entitlement and think that the taxpayer should contribute to YOUR future as well as YOUR family's health. Piss off!!!
Anonymous
Fri Oct 14 2011 20:58
Does it bother anyone that the public sector union employee can retire 10-15 years earlier than the tax payer that pays for thier gold plated pension. The unions have successfully installed a who's who of union cronies. School boards,city councils and county commissioners are all corrupted by the union tail that is wagging the dog. The tax payer has not had a seat at the bargaining table for over 50 years. Take back OHIO vote YES on issue 2!
Anonymous
Fri Oct 14 2011 20:49
No on issue 2. Kasich is a corporate puppet from Wall Street who is out to screw working class families with this 'divide and conquer' crap. The middle class is disappearing in this country due rising costs, debt and unemployment, and Kasich and his mindless band of middle class sheep, who think they are taking a swing at 'big government' while actually undermining themselves is so disappointing. You have been led about by the nose by this corporatist, corrupt loser and instead of waking up you clap with one hand while he cuts off the other. Enjoy these times of feeling superior, because when the next crisis hits, which it will, those one step above you will do EXACTLY the same thing and there will be nothing and no one left to turn to. Then you can join the serried ranks of the unemployed and the destitute, both of which are growing daily. Then you can cheer for Kasich and the tax cuts for your new masters and corporate subsidies that helped to push you out of the middle class and cut down that absurd, ignorant, contemptuous and hard-hearted middle class indifference you all seem to have. Can't wait till you eat those libertarian talking points, I hope that you gag on them going back down as we do when you spout them.
Anonymous
Fri Oct 14 2011 15:30
Has anyone seen the new wage and hour laws that make hourly employees into low wage salary employees. I hope they dont do this to all the health care workers.
Anonymous
Fri Oct 14 2011 06:09
" AND if in fact they are so "generous" as you stated, well then they should have no problem paying even more taxes, seeing as they are rich and the most generous" Are you really that dumb. Obviously you are. I will spell it out for you then. Everyone who actually cares about social programs should always go with charity over government for the obvious reason of efficiency. Say you have two similar programs, one charity and one government. The government program is funded by tax dollars. Those funds must be collected and put through the bureauacracy and passed through red tape to reach the program. By the time the funds reach the program thouse funds are worht a fraction of what they were in collected taxes. With a charity , the charity recieves the funds directly from the person who donated them. Additionally when someone donates to charity, they get to decide where their money goes. With taxes they do not. Do some research yourself. The wealthiest donate the most in total money donated to charity. You may also find out some interesting things about the generousity of your political group. Addionally, private sector employees get paid more because they are on average of higher quality and compentancy compared to their public sector counterparts.
Anonymous
Thu Oct 13 2011 21:00
This is directed toward "middle class citizen." Please tell me in your research where it is stated for a FACT that the "rich" donate the most to charity AND if in fact they are so "generous" as you stated, well then they should have no problem paying even more taxes, seeing as they are rich and the most generous. Let me guess too? You are not a public employee right. If you are iun favor of equality then why is it the private sector is paid far more then there counterparts in the public sector and why it is hy don't get raises or year end bonuses, I am just agreeing with you if you want to make it fair then lets get real.
NO I am a middle class citizen
Thu Oct 13 2011 20:58
This is directed toward "middle class citizen." Please tell me in your research where it is stated for a FACT that the "rich" donate the most to charity AND if in fact they are so "generous" as you stated, well then they should have no problem paying even more taxes, seeing as they are rich and the most generous. Let me guess too? You are not a public employee right. If you are iun favor of equality then why is it the private sector is paid far more then there counterparts in the public sector and why it is hy don't get raises or year end bonuses, I am just agreeing with you if you want to make it fair then lets get real.
BooKasich
Thu Oct 13 2011 20:46
Look at you guys..Kasich and his cronies are getting just what they wanted...pitting all of us average earning folks against each other to divert attention away from the fact that they are just getting richer and richer by the day. Senate Bill 5 is supposed to be about shared sacrifice and public state workers paying up like their counterparts. Well, Kasich and all of the politicians pushing this bill are state public workers and yet they somehow are excluded from this bill that they thinks is so wonderful and necessary to make Ohio great. What do they make? What portion do they pay into their health care and pensions? Come on people!! Quit fighting amongst yourselves and start putting the heat on these politicians who line their pockets at all of our expense!
Anonymous
Thu Oct 13 2011 18:39
Is the argument, not limiting collective bargaining but who decides the collective bargaining.
Anonymous
Wed Oct 12 2011 16:37
"Why should I have to fund both my retirement and yours?"..totally agree. Vote yes on Issue 2 and return equity and fairness to taxpayers.
One who pays Government Employee's paycheck
Wed Oct 12 2011 16:24
Hey government employee, Social Security is not a retirement plan. I know that may be hard to understand because as you indicated you are a government employee. Social Security was created to suplement a retirement plan not relied upon for retiremnt. With that being said the average private sector employee also contributes to 401k plans and IRAs. As social security will not be around when I retire because it was a flawed concept to begin with I am relying solely on myself to fund my own retirement. Your retirement system is also flawed and bankrupting the government. Why should I have to fund both my retirement and yours? So stop acting like you are making such a sacrafice when contributing to a retirement plan. If you want a right to complain find a real job that requires real skills.
wondering
Wed Oct 12 2011 16:21
Anonymous needs to get a clue. First, it does eliminate collective bargaining. It should be named collective begging. All an employer has to do is state this is my best and final offer and "bargaining" is done. That is not setting parameters, that is eliminating bargaining. As for fringe benefits, there are none in my place of employment. I have not had a raise in the last 4 years, and am paid less than my private sector counterpart who has the same college degree. I also pay into my retirement, and have for the last 22 years. Can someone please tell me why public employees are now trolls and villans? We are talking about firemen, policemen, and teachers! These people put their lives on the line when they go to work. And by the way, do it for an average of $14.00 per hour. Fat cats; don't think so.
Anonymous
Wed Oct 12 2011 16:11
Vote NO on Issue 2.
Anonymous
Wed Oct 12 2011 15:39
Voting no on issue 2 is the only way all Ohians will benefit. Kasich tells lies to get people to vote yes. If you all read the bill and take the time to stop listening to arguments... you will realize that this bill is written to benefit the politicians and not the people of ohio. Why else are the public employees such as Kasich and his staff exempt from this bill while every other public employee is included? I'll tell you why. The Governor of Ohio doesn't care about Ohio!! He only cares about himself and his friends. He is willing to lie to all of us to get what he wants and has been turning the facts around to confuse us all. Vote no on issue 2 or you will all regret it!
Anonymous
Wed Oct 12 2011 14:57
yes on issue 2
Anonymous
Wed Oct 12 2011 14:38
@Government Employee, what about the false claims by We Are Ohio found by Politifact? Or should we conveniently leave that out too?




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