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Landlords criticize proposed 2-year residence hall plan

murphy.840@osu.edu

Published: Monday, February 20, 2012

Updated: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 10:02

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Caitlin Wasmundt / Lantern reporter

Several area landlords are not happy with President E. Gordon Gee’s proposal to require all freshmen and sophomores to live on campus.


Some landlords for properties in off-campus areas surrounding Ohio State are taking issue with President E. Gordon Gee's proposal to require students to live in on-campus dorms for their second-year. When Gee made this proposal, he wanted the requirement in place by 2012, but in a Feb. 6 meeting with The Lantern's editorial board, he said it wouldn't be complete until 2015 or 2016.

Brian Grim, managing partner for University Manors, said he believes the current housing structure should remain as is.

"The off-campus, on-campus dynamic, it works, it works well," he said. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I don't believe that tampering with the dynamic that exists right now is smart at all."

Campus Partners for Community Urban Redevelopment, an OSU affiliate formed in 1995 to help revitalize the University District, approached off-campus landlords in 2008 after initial discussion of the two-year dorm residence policy to conduct a study to better understand student residency in the off-campus area. The participating landlords funded the study, said Richard Talbott, president of Inn-Town Homes and Apartments.

Doug Aschenbach, president of Campus Partners, discussed the objectives of the study with The Lantern.

"(We wanted) to understand who was living off campus. How many sophomores, what the rents are, what the amenities are, why people choose or don't choose to live off campus," Aschenbach said. "(The study) really helped inventory and quantify the number of sophomores off campus. It concluded that there were about 3,000 sophomores living in the off-campus neighborhoods."

The 3,000 sophomores is estimated to be about 20 percent of all OSU students living in the off-campus area, according to the study.

There is some concern as to what will happen to the number of houses students rent each year if sophomores can no longer live off campus, Aschenbach said.

Wayne Garland, president of Buckeye Real Estate, said in an email that many landlords would rent vacant residencies to non-students, if necessary.

"The reality is you need to have an income stream to pay mortgage payments, property taxes, insurance, utilities, etc., so I'm fairly certain most owners would/will rent their properties to nontraditional residents," he said in the email. "This could lead to more social issues and a deterioration of some areas and the lack of lenders willing to make loans for reinvestment into our community. A series of dominoes falling in the wrong direction."

Talbott also said the University District will be worse off if students are occupying less off-campus residencies.

"The people that used to live in (off-campus houses) that the students have displaced, you don't want to live next to them," he said. "The people that move into those houses will be poorer and there'll be more crime, then it'll be a cycle feeding itself downhill."

Daniel Livshin, a first-year in chemical engineering, said he would not want to live next to non-students and thought crime could increase.

"I feel like it would be a little less safe, just from the amount of crime that would transfer over (into the University District)," he said.

Gee, in a Feb. 6 meeting with The Lantern, said he is concerned about vacancies but sees benefits for students who live in the off-campus area, as landlords will be forced to provide quality housing in order to attract tenants.

"There are some places that I would not allow people to live if I were absolutely in charge. The good landlords are going to thrive. Those who should be squeezed out should be squeezed out, and they will be," he said. "And we have a lot of quality landlords that do a wonderful job and we need to support them and we will."

Grim agreed the requirement would cause landlords to improve their properties, but said there are more effective ways to do this.

"I'm all for university-accredited housing, where the university puts its rubber stamp on a particular building to give their seal of approval. They should contact the city so the city can come through the place and write up the things that need to be fixed," he said. "I think the damage caused by having the sophomores live on campus is far worse than squeezing the slumlords out."

Garland said in an email that most of the unaccommodating landlords have already been "squeezed out" in the last 20 years, and he would prefer to compete with university housing on equal ground.

"I say, let the university operate under the same competitive situation and if their product is a more appealing option it will be selected," he said. "Just don't (assume) something is better without true knowledge, nor because you may have the power to mandate selection of your product."

OSU administrators and some landlords disagree on more than just vacancy issues and "slumlord" elimination. They hold conflicting viewpoints on the social benefits of living on-campus versus off-campus.

Students academically benefit from living in the dorms or their first and second years, according to the Office of Student Life. Student Life said there is evidence that students who live on campus for two years graduate more quickly and at higher rates than those who live on campus for only one year.

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27 comments

Anonymous
Fri Feb 24 2012 14:54
Welp I hope Jack Bealy and Property Management are among those squeezed out- in my opinon he is a common criminal
Anonymous
Wed Feb 22 2012 22:06
The sophomore requirement is the start of nothing more than a financial guarantee for the Real Estate investment trust (REITS) to sell to the secondary financial markets. This will soon become an asset that the university will sell off, losing control of the real estate. Plans reside to further liquidating of assets, i.e. Golf Course, Airport, Parking, What will be left are the 100 year bonds, and land lease and an uncertain future for the university and the city of Columbus.

You may say building 3000 units... How can that have such a profound impact? It is just the start... OSU plans to continue the sophomore requirement for juniors and perhaps seniors as they move on to phase 2 and phase 3. This financial model has one aim in mind, to generate money and fees for the university and the trustees. It has no redeeming value to the students it serves, the economy of the state of Ohio or the city of Columbus growth. It is a play to create a city within a city. Wake up Ohio and City of Columbus.

Theresa
Wed Feb 22 2012 15:53
Considering I lived in a University Manors aprtment during my junior year and the managment was absolutely terrible, I don't take much value in what Brian Grim says, however I do see other points in the rest of the article. We were charged fees for replacing items we were told we would be replaced. In addition, we left the apartment looking cleaner than when we moved in, especially the kitchen which my mom, who helped clean, can attest too. I think landlords take advantage of college students and college students needs to utilize Off-campus student services to learn more about living on their own. I can see both sides of the arugement, but I think the extra year living in the dorms provided me the chance to get more out of OSU so that when I did move off-campus, I knew more about resources I could use to help me be more responsible in living on my own...even though I still had much to learn. Students should have to settle in a crappy apartment just because they want to escape from the dorms.

This was a bit off topic, but I just wanted to share my thoughts.

Anonymous
Wed Feb 22 2012 09:38
maybe the landlords should fix up their slums
Anonymous
Tue Feb 21 2012 17:06
There's a reason why Brown University has portable toilets named "The E. Gordon Gee Lavatory Complex" and it's not because they love him.
Anonymous
Tue Feb 21 2012 16:58
Let's just call this what it is: a thinly-veiled money grab by a fundraising focused and heavy handed president. I like Gee in general, but this is one of his faults; not caring who he steps on to get his universities more money even at the detriment of the neighboring community.
MichelleR
Tue Feb 21 2012 16:19
I lived in the dorms my freshman year (Bradley Hall). It was a very small, non-air conditioned space with barely enough room for a bunk bed and 2 desks. It was expensive and there was zero privacy. I couldn't wait to move off-campus. I lived in a crappy old house my sophomore year, and I "grew up" pretty quickly. My junior year, I knew I needed to shop around for my housing and I found a nice one bedroom apartment with plenty of space for one person. It was small, but still twice the size of my dorm room, and I didn't have to share a community bathroom with 40 other girls. Back then, 10 years ago, I saved roughly $2000 a year by staying off campus. Plus, I was able to have my car so I could get a job.
Now, my younger brother is in his sophomore year at OSU. He lives off campus on Norwich. I'm not sure who he rents from, but his place is NICE! He has a washer & dryer in his apartment, nice marble counter-tops, nice appliances, etc. My parents say they're saving over $2500 a year on rent, utilities and food because he lives in an apartment instead of the dorm. Sure it's nice to have an RA on your floor to help you out, but he's a smart kid. He knows to look out for himself. He's had no issues with crime.
My point is, there are plenty of nice places off-campus. Look around, you'll see that. Also, anyone that claims it's cheaper to live in the dorms obviously doesn't know the cost of the dorms. I completely agree that, as a freshman, you should live in the dorms. You get to meet lots of people and make friends that you otherwise wouldn't meet. It's a nice transition from your parent's house to living on your own. BUT, if the study that the landlord mentioned is correct, and it really doesn't help your GPA to stay in the dorms your sophomore year, why does OSU want to keep the students there another year? Money. Pure and simple. OSU wants more of your money. Tuition is high enough. Stop being greedy, President Gee.
Anonymous
Tue Feb 21 2012 16:10
To the first poster, how can you call my apartment a dump? (www.harrisonapartments.com) I happen to love it here and feel very safe. I have also visited many other off campus properties and have found plenty of them to be in very good shape, way better than the little dorm room I was crammed into my freshman year. Living in an off campus apartment gives you the opportunity to choose where you want to live....you don't have to live in one of the dumps if you don't want to. I understand having to live in the dorm as a freshman in order to meet people and adapt to the university, but by the time people are sophomores, they should be able to make that decision on their own.
Anonymous
Tue Feb 21 2012 15:59
College is about preparing you for the real world. Deciding where to live is part of the real world. Why should I be forced to spend thousands of dollars a semester to have next to zero space for myself in a dorm room with three other guys? If I'm spending that much money to live off campus, at least I can enjoy my personal space. Tell me how my grades are better when I'm cramped and uncomfortable in a dorm room and forced to go to the library just for a change of scenery. How do we know they won't overpopulate the new dorms when they're built too? The benefits of on campus housing do not outweigh the benefits of living off campus.
Voltaire
Tue Feb 21 2012 15:54
THANK YOU FOR SHOUTING, BUT WE ARE NOT HARD OF HEARING.
Anonymous
Tue Feb 21 2012 15:47
THE SOPHOMORE RULE..LITTLE DOES OSU CONSIDER THE IMPACT TO THE STUDENTS THEY SERVE OR THE COMMUNITY IT RESIDES. THE UNIVERSITY DISTRICT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED OVER THE LAST 150 YEARS TO SUPPORT OSU. TO CHANGE THAT WOULD EVENTUALLY REQUIRE A COMPLETE REPOSITIONING OF THE MARKET.....FOR THE FEW THAT CAN AFFORD IT AND AT WHAT COST? STATISITICLY IT COSTS 30% MORE FOR THE STUDENTS TO LIVE ON CAMPUS. ALSO IT REQUIRES THE PURCHASE OF A MEAL PLAN AND THE SURRENDER OF YOUR CAR TRANSPORTATION. THAT I S A POISON PILL FOR THE UNIVERSITY COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.

HAVING EVERY ASPECT OF THE STUDENTS LIVES CONTROLLED BY THE UNIVERSITY CREATES NON FUNCTIONING INTELLICUALS THAT HAVE LITTLE COMMON SENSE. IT ISOLATES THEN FROM THE COMMUNITY. COMMUNITY EVOLVEMENT STARTS WITH LIVING IN THE COMMUNITY, BECOMING INDEPENDENT, AND DEVELOPING COMMON SENSE THROUGH ACTION AND EXPERIENCE NOT JUST BOOK LEARNING.

THE SOPHOMORE REQUIREMENT IS THE START OF NOTHING MORE THAN A FINANCIAL GUARENTEE FOR THE REAL ESTATE INVESTMENT TRUSTS (REIT) TO SELL TO SECONDARY FINANCIAL MARKETS. THIS WILL SOON BECOME AN ASSET THAT THE UNIVERSITY WILL SELL OFF; LOOSING CONTROL OF THE REAL ESTATE . PLANS RESIDE TO FURTHER LIQUIDATING OF ASSETS, IE; GOLF COURSE, AIRPORT, PARKING.. WHAT WILL BE LEFT ARE THE 1OO YEAR BONDS, A LAND LEASE AND AN UNCERTAIN FUTURE FOR THE UNIVERSITY AND THE CITY OF COLUMBUS.

YOU MAY SAY BUILDING 3000 UNITS...HOW CAN THAT HAVE SUCH A PROFOUND IMPACT? IT IS JUST THE START . OSU PLANS TO CONTINUE THE SOPHOMORE REQUIREMENT FOR JUNIORS AND PERHAPS SENIORS AS THEY GO TO PHASE 2, AND PHASE 3. THIS FINANCIAL MODEL HAS ONE AIM IN MIND. TO GENERATE MONEY AND FEES FOR THE GREEDY. IT HAS NO REDEEMING VALUE TO THE STUDENTS IT SERVES , THE ECONOMY OF THE STATE OR THE CITY OF COLUMBUS GROWTH. IT IS A PLAY TO CREATE A CITY WITHIN A CITY. WAKE UP CITY OF COLUMBUS!

Anonymous
Tue Feb 21 2012 15:47
This is all about guaranteed money for the school.
Anonymous
Tue Feb 21 2012 15:20
I don't know how anyone can reasonably believe it is cheaper to live on campus than off. I am a senior here at OSU, I lived in the Towers as a Freshman, lived off campus the next two years, and now I'm finishing up my time here in a Fraternity House. I can assure you that living off campus is significantly cheaper than living on. Not only that it taught me how to manage a budget, cook, clean and live on my own; when you aren't having your hand held by the university you grow up fast. I am sick of the university encroaching on students rights, how can they claim to know what's best for every single sophomore. I say leave the decision to individual students and if the University can out compete off-campus housing then fantastic, otherwise let the students do what they want!
Anonymous
Tue Feb 21 2012 14:50
Data is needed -- not arguments. Both studies, the one done by the landlords and the one done by the university should be published to a website and the links provided in The Lantern. Prospective students and parents need to have an informed opinion, based on data. Moreover both studies should be repeated in 2012 and published.
FashiongirlNM
Tue Feb 21 2012 14:35
Live off campus!!! Students will learn how to live independently and have more living space. Parents will save money, living off campus is affordable compared to living in the dorms. Students have more freedom living off campus. I am a student, and I like having the choice of living off campus because you can choose where you want to be, and how much kitchen/bedroom/bathroom space you want and need.
Anonymous
Tue Feb 21 2012 13:47
To the first poster, I would gladly bet against you on your guarantee about code violations in the city of Columbus for houses. The city limits for Columbus cover a large area. I also call b.s. on your knowledge on the code violations.
TractorMAN
Tue Feb 21 2012 13:29
Off campus living is the way to go. Students should be learning to live indepentently, not mandated to be cradled by the University for another year. All of my friends and I have learned more from budgeting and taking care of a house in the past three years than we would have ever learned in a dorm environment. ROCK ON COLLEGE WOO
Anonymous
Tue Feb 21 2012 13:20
My two-bedroom apartment is $750 a month after everything is added up. That's $375 a month for me and $375 for my roommate. Multiply that by 12 and you get $4500. When I lived in the towers I paid $2100 per quarter, so $6300 per year. Please explain to me, first commenter, how $4500 is not less than $6300. That's not even getting into the money saved on food either.
LuluAlumni
Tue Feb 21 2012 13:02
How is it not cheaper to live off-campus? I am an alumni, but in my experience I saved hundreds each month living off campus. In addition to the reasonable rent, I could prepare my own foods in my own kitchen and have private space, and every dollar counted. Some of us choose a state university school because it's the only way to afford an education. Being forced to live in dorms could very well force out working-class kids without economic advantages... people who could benefit the most from an OSU education.

As for safety, wasn't there an armed robbery in a university building on 11th Ave this winter? The risk is everywhere, inherent in urban areas. Smart behavior tends to reduce the risk of being a victim.

Anonymous
Tue Feb 21 2012 13:01
Brian Grimm is a slumlord and should be jailed.






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