Concert costs 'trade secrets'

By Leah Wynalek

wynalek.2@osu.edu

Published: Tuesday, June 1, 2010

Updated: Thursday, June 3, 2010

This year the Ohio Union Activities Board spent students' money to bring big names such as Drake, Kings of Leon and Cobra Starship to campus. Although some students are satisfied with the artists OUAB brings to Ohio State, others might wonder exactly how much they are paying for concerts they don't attend.

But OUAB won't reveal how much it pays performers to come to OSU, calling the information a trade secret.

OUAB receives a portion of the mandatory Student Activity Fee, which it uses to fund its campus entertainment events, said OUAB President Kayln Eyer in an e-mail.

In September, the Board of Trustees approved a hike in the activity fee, from $15 per quarter to the current $25 per quarter. This increase, which took effect in January, expanded the OUAB budget for Winter and Spring quarter events.

Before the increase, OUAB received 55 percent (about $1.21 million) of the Student Activity Fee, and after it will receive 52.75 percent (about $2.11 million), a February Lantern article reported. This year, the OUAB budget was $1,736,694.34 for the entire 2009-2010 school year, according to OUAB's budget summary in May 2010. This budget should increase next school year with the higher fee during all four quarters, Eyer said.

And though this increase is likely to translate into more popular and expensive performers, students will not know how much more these performers cost.

"OUAB often competes with other entertainment venues in the area and other schools for the same acts," Eyer said. "Competitors having knowledge about the amounts we pay for performers would adversely affect our ability to negotiate the lowest possible rates and therefore reducing the buying power of the student activity fee dollars."

She also said OUAB could not disclose amounts paid to performers when contractual obligations with the bands or booking agencies forbade it from making the information public.

Fred Gittes, a Columbus attorney with expertise in Ohio's public records law, said a trade secret must be information that is "treated as confidential by the company or organization involved." In this case, it must be treated as confidential by the bands OUAB books as well as any booking agencies involved.

However, many performers make their prices known publicly on college booking agency websites. Upon request, some public universities' activities boards, including those of the University of Iowa and Michigan State University, also disclose booking costs.

Main Stage Productions and White Leaf Entertainment Group, two major college booking agencies, both list prices for high-demand artists on their websites, including some who have visited OSU this school year.

Main Stage Productions prices Drake, who filled the Schott with students in April, between $50,000 and $70,000. Other performers include Andy Samberg at $50,000, Cobra Starship between $25,000 and $30,000 and Bob Saget between $40,000 and $50,000.

White Leaf Entertainment, which has booked music artists for the University of Tennessee, Michigan State University and Oregon University, lists prices similar to those of Main Stage.

Third Eye Blind, who came to OSU during Autumn Quarter, costs between $50,000 and $60,000, and 3OH!3, who played at Big Free Concert on May 14, costs between $25,000 and $30,000, according to White Leaf's website.

"It just reeks of bad taste if they're (OUAB) claiming that booking bands is a trade secret if those very bands post what they charge," Gittes said.

But Mike Geremia, founder of Main Stage Productions, said these costs and whether they can be made public are negotiable.

If the performer is coming to campus on a planned tour stop, you can often negotiate the price; but if the stop at campus is unplanned or the performer isn't touring, "then pretty much you have to stick to the price," Geremia said.

And although standard prices are listed on Main Stage's website, if a university doesn't want to disclose the amount it paid to book a music artist, the agency will agree to keep the information private, he said.

Michigan State's Activities Board willingly discloses the amount of money it pays visiting artists. At the Sparty's Spring Party event, Cobra Starship came to the MSU campus under a contract of $30,000, said Tami Kuhn, manager of the University Activities Board. Cobra Starship also came to OSU for its spring concert.

OUAB isn't the only student activities board that keeps its costs under wraps, though. The Campus Entertainment Board at the University of Tennessee also does not reveal how much it pays performers that come to campus because of contractual obligations, said Brian Stevens, chair of the entertainment board.

Stevens said entertainment events at Tennessee's campus were funded through an activity fee similar to OSU's.

At Michigan State, however, there is no student activity fee, and the activities board has a substantially smaller budget. The total budget for the board this school year was about $600,000, Kuhn said. Most of the organization's money is fundraised through arts and crafts shows, she said.

But OSU's large student population and generous Student Activity Fee allows OUAB to bring in bigger name artists.

For the Big Free Show alone, OUAB had a budget of $250,000, according to its budget summary in May 2010. Spring Quarter events were allotted a separate $255,716.67 in the summary.

With its hefty budget, OUAB strives to satisfy as many students as possible with the performers it brings to OSU.

"OUAB seeks input on events in various ways, from surveying at events and in various high populated areas around campus, seeking feedback through Twitter, Facebook, and other online means," Eyer said. "We have a suggestion form on our website and we encourage students to share their ideas with the OUAB executive board."

Eyer said OUAB used attendance numbers to determine which shows are most popular.

Seven thousand students flocked to see Drake, Eyer said in an e-mail. She said that 3,000 students attended the Big Free Concert event featuring Cobra Starship and 3OH!3.

"Attendance numbers for the concerts vary because each concert was held in a different venue," Eyer said. "All of our concerts this year reached maximum capacity, and all tickets were released."

Concert attendance numbers are determined by the number of tickets released to students by OUAB. This attendance number is predetermined because OUAB only releases a certain amount of tickets to the student body on a first-come-first-serve basis.

However, Big Free Concert was not ticketed, and its outdoor venue, the South Oval, had no definite capacity. This makes determining attendance difficult.

"Big Free Concert was a successful event and it was a very well-attended event," Eyer said. "We received positive feedback on the Facebook wall and Twitter and no negative feedback was directly received to the OUAB website or the concert's chair."  

Comments

17 comments
Anonymous
Wed May 11 2011 14:53
I think some people don't realize how competitive the Columbus music venue scene really is. There are several other venues competing with OSU for these artists (Germain Amphitheater, LC Pavilion, Nationwide.) But, thing of the numbers for what they are. Yes, $80,000 for Kings of Leon sounds like a large number. But I guarantee that OUAB didn't pay that, if they paid $75,000 divided by 60,000 students is barely more than one dollar each for a premiere band. If you wanted to go, it is one hell of a bargain. If not, you only lost about $1.15. OUAB may not appease all tastes, but your share of their budget is fairly small. You will pay more that $25 for a premiere touring band elsewhere, so if OUAB brings a cool band you like then consider it a plus. Again, don't get sticker shocked by the numbers. They are large, but that is the positive side of a large university. We have substantial buying power in the music market.
Anonymous
Mon Jun 7 2010 10:59
In reply to sexpistol even though you don't deserve it:
How about you try and learn more about our involved students on campus before you go making your wacky overgeneralizations. Many of our students involved on campus rely on financial aid, work part time or even multiple jobs and provide for themselves while they are at college, all while maintaining top grades. They'll be in debt from financial aid just like you and at least they now have the skills learned from their involvement to help them pay it off, because trust me, you whining is not going to go over well once you leave OSU for another job.
They can hold their nose up in the air all they want. They earn it.
Sexpistol
Mon Jun 7 2010 03:15
I like how every Drake fan got on here defending the university's flagrant abuse of spending power because they like some trash act for 'free.'

I come to this university, which 'does everything so well,' pay my way, and watch the money get funneled into losing national championships and Canadian rappers while the buildings I study in crumble and the cafeterias serve me s---.

All OUAB members who commented on this article: stop having your parents pay your tuition, get a real job, lower your noses out of the air a bit, and then tell me how much you like your tuition being that much higher so that some hack can play a concert or so that the university can build some atrocity on high street for incoming freshman to gawk at 1400 conference rooms which they will never be able to use.

If you want to read stories about how OSU is the awesomest place in the whole wide world and Drake is sooooooo gorgeous then look in the art section where they file that bulls---. Stop letting Gordon Gee use his grandfatherly demeanor and his cute little bow ties to put his hand in your wallet and his d--- in your mouth.

Wake up.

Anonymous
Sun Jun 6 2010 13:20
rather than pointless spending by OUAB, a worthless organization, why not use the money for scholarship, new library books, new computers, something worthwhile for ALL students. Let's get rid of OUAB.
Anonymous
Fri Jun 4 2010 17:23
I don't really care how much acts costs. I know how much money OUAB gets, and they spend it. That's all I need to know regardless of if I agree with who they choose to spend it on. Another failed and misinformed article by our piece of SH*T journalism program at OSU. Thanks for making the value of my education a little bit less.
Anonymous
Fri Jun 4 2010 12:27
Has anyone at the Lantern fathomed that maybe the reason we can't let the costs of concerts out is because we're in one of the largest cities in the country and have some serious competition for them. MSU and UI, yeah, I'm sure there are dozens of competing venues for those shows...
Anonymous
Thu Jun 3 2010 21:54
when i walked by and saw the lantern with YET ANOTHER article concerning ouab and costs i seriously just wanted to shoot myself in the face. can you not come up with ANYTHING (GOD PLEASE ANYTHING) else to write about anymore? i can't stand to read stupid, poorly written article like this anymore. especially when they are just restating the same "facts" over and over and over and over.
Anonymous
Thu Jun 3 2010 18:14
This irritates me, because you quote the talent fee for an MSU concert as $30k for one of the four artists that OUAB brought to Big Free Concert, then list the budget for Big Free Concert as being $250k. The budget would not only include a talent fee for four times as many artists, but would also include things like staging, production, backline, security, grounds fees, and other various costs which would really add up for an event of that magnitude.
Anonymous
Thu Jun 3 2010 18:08
From a person who actually does have experience in the music industry, there are a lot of things wrong with what has been said in this article.

First off, the crux of your argument is invalid, since Main Stage Productions and White Leaf Entertainment are not the actual booking agents for the artists. They are third-party companies that act as middlemen between activities boards and booking agents (who are themselves middlemen to the bands/managers). OUAB would likely not go through these third-party companies because they have so much experience with booking artists. Instead, they would get direct quotes from booking agents, just like their competitors in Ohio. By not using the companies that you quoted, OUAB would almost certainly get the best prices possible for performers it brings and have good reason to not reveal the amounts paid for the performers it brings (a legitimate trade secret, by Gittes' definition).

Also, the comparisons that are drawn to University of Iowa and Michigan State University do not apply whatsoever. The entire reason why OUAB is keeping amounts paid to performers a secret is so that competitors (as well as future acts brought to Ohio State, for that matter) do not drive up prices and cause OUAB to pay more for fewer acts. Therefore, in places without major competitors (like Iowa), activities boards can disclose amounts paid to performers without worries. Also, Michigan State only had two concerts with national acts this year, as far as I can tell (Third Eye Blind and Cobra Starship). Ohio State had six (Shiny Toy Guns, Kings of Leon, Third Eye Blind, Ingrid Michaelson and Mat Kearney, Drake, 3OH!3 and Cobra Starship), making MSU a terrible University with which to compare OSU. Not only that, tickets to MSU concerts are open to the general public, and only offered to students at a reduced price. This means that MSU students would have had to pay $25.50 to see one Third Eye Blind show (according to the Wharton Center website), whereas Ohio State students would have paid $13.19 in total fees to OUAB for an entire quarter of activities, including the Third Eye Blind concert at the LC.

I think that OUAB is doing a wonderful job, and should change nothing.

JB
Thu Jun 3 2010 17:28
I never even heard of any of these people, so what the hell am I paying $15/quarter for?! Yea, it's wonderful when people enjoy the events, but if you're taking away money from 30,000 students to please, say, 8,000 regular concert goers, is it really fair? Just another wasteful, secretive bureaucracy.
Anonymous
Thu Jun 3 2010 15:26
Anonymous below,
Maybe the Lantern wouldn't have to "expose" so much stuff if the university wouldn't keep so many things a secret needlessly. Case in point, the details of the Coke contract were not actually trade secrets, but the university claimed they were until they were blue in the face? Why? who knows, but wouldn't that make any person with half a brain cell suspicious or at least a little curious? As for putting our faith in our "perfectly capable and experienced administrators" I think you would be perfectly at home in Iran or some other authoritarian where asking any kinds of questions is anathema.
Anonymous
Thu Jun 3 2010 11:29
I like reading the Lantern, but when you write poor articles like this, I get very angry. Continually trying to 'expose' where OUAB, Athletic, and Coke money is just picking a fight for the sake of stirring up trouble.

Coke gives us MILLIONS and MILLIONS of dollars for pretty much only a monopoly on distribution at OSU, so I see absolutely no issue with the University originally choosing not to disclose every detail. We clearly benefit a lot from this partnership, and I would hate for anything to interrupt it. OUAB brings great speakers, performers, and other events to campus. They have a lot of experience booking big name people, and if they say that releasing exact artist pricing all the time could hurt the negotiating power of our student activity fee, then you should believe them.

Ideally, we would have prices and details on where every University dollar goes, but that is unnecessary. I am comfortable with the idea that OSU is pretty d*** good at what it does; I am sick and tired of people not placing faith in our administrators, who are all perfectly capable and experienced individuals.

Andy Sandberg
Thu Jun 3 2010 09:16
Wait, why does Main Stage represent someone I've never heard of... Andy Sandberg? What does this guy do? That Andy Samberg though, he's funny.
Anonymous
Thu Jun 3 2010 08:34
Drake played at the Schott- not the Union.
Anonymous
Thu Jun 3 2010 01:25
Thanks Lantern, AGAIN.. for pointing this out, AGAIN. Way to write about that hard hitting stuff... AGAIN.
Get a Clue
Wed Jun 2 2010 23:53
wow the Lantern just loves to write the same article OVER AND OVER AGAIN, and OUAB doesn't disclose this information because anyone in the entertainment industry would know that the more money people think you have the more they are going to ask for, those prices up on the websites fluctuate throughout they year depending on how the artist is doing and where they are currently stationed, if they have a hit on the radio, chances are the prices are going to skyrocket, a $20,000 band that suddenly gets major airplay could turn into a $100,000 band over a few weeks, and the same could be said for an artist that has had huge success in the past but fails to maintain record sales. Also, think about the venue promoters around town, they could probably easily outbid OUAB, AND make a profit from ticket sales. Before you try to trash talk something you know nothing about, why don't you do some research and talk to people who know about booking, and not rely on a tabloid like publication like the Lantern where students are just trying to spice a dull story up to get a better grade.

PS MTV was a part of the 3OH3/Cobra show, and everyone knows they have a lot of power in deciding where the shows end up and financial pull, I highly doubt those bands were anywhere near the "$250k"... it would be wise to consider the huge Conan show at the Schott if you're going to guess where a large chunk of change went

Anonymous
Wed Jun 2 2010 22:26
Trade secret - oh, come on! The definition of trade secret includes that the "secret" must not be generally known to the public (not true, as the article points out) and confers some sort of economic benefit to its holder. But the "secret" of the fees bands charge belongs to the bands, not OUAB, doesn't it? The bands derive the economic benefit, not OUAB. And what could be possibly be harmed by stating after the fact how much a concert cost? Even if OUAB could claim a trade secret, which I doubt it can, it's spending student money, not the university's money. Public information, I would say. But many facets of OSU seem to have a hard time with giving information to the public. Good job, Lantern, for pointing this out.
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