I think most people have been in a confrontational argument over the existence of God at some point in their lives, and maybe they felt insulted by it, or even maybe they were the ones feeling elated at having embarrassed the other person. Logical arguments for example, like the existence of a god, is a convenient idea to explain how things in the universe are and in turn, God must exist. Certainly not everyone uses logic like this to prove and disprove God, and then try to rub it in someone else's face, but perhaps many of us know a few people who still do.
But can an argument change someone else's beliefs? In order to persuade them, is something besides logic and reason needed? My basic assertion is that for a god to be believed in, it must be real for the individual. I think this is self-evident: A person would not believe in a god if it were not "real" to them (even though it might be intangible) or else he would believe for no other reason except that others told him to do it. So, the underlying question is this: Can reason or logic make God real for a person?
I do not think they can but something else, like a catalytic event, is required to create the belief. And this event does not have to be external; it could be an internal one similar to the realization that you are in love for instance. Perhaps in this case, logic and reason are inadequate because the other person has not felt it, so God is not real to the individual. So, not only can logical arguments not change someone's belief in God, nothing can except this catalytic event, but it is unknown what form it will be. Maybe it is possible to see God in the action of someone else or perhaps in the weather, or maybe it is like the realization of a feeling, etc. I do not think man is born with the innate knowledge that a god exists, I think it is a product of this something else - this catalyst.
So, any confrontational argument using reason for or against the existence of a god do nothing to convert people to either position, but only serve to make each side defensive and no amount of logic can convert someone into or out of belief. However, I suppose it is inevitable that people will keep trying. Again, I should say that not all people use reason in a belligerent way, and they just use it for discussion, which is a better use for it here. Perhaps the existence cannot be questioned through logic or reason because the answer is simple: It is real/not real to the individual because of the presence/absence of an event that changed how he would otherwise view the world. Thankfully, there is no flawless logical argument that God exists or does not exist, but even if there was, maybe it would not even matter.
Paul Gardner can be reached at gardner.734@osu.edu.
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Aaron
posted 4/30/08 @ 11:56 AM EST
It's somewhat humorous how you are trying to use reason to reason against reason. Was there a point to this piece?
Are you trying to reason people against attempting to reason for/against God? If so, your own reasoning killed your argument. (Continued…)
Zach Drabick
posted 4/30/08 @ 12:12 PM EST
Paul, are you trying to use reason and logic to convince me that reason and logic are inadequate to change someone's beliefs? If so, what reasons do you have that reason and logic are inadequate? Is reason and logic inadequate only for convincing someone God exists or are they inadequate for any other beliefs? Is experiencing a cataclysmic experience necessary for me to come to believe that you exist? What qualifies as a cataclysmic event? If you are making an empirical claim, that claim is false. (Continued…)
carlton
posted 4/30/08 @ 3:07 PM EST
Dude, are you confused or what?? All you gotta do is open the Bible and it tells you exactly that there is a God and HE Created all of this right in the first book of the Bible. (Continued…)
Emmett Hoveh
posted 4/30/08 @ 8:08 PM EST
Oh boy, here we go...Emmett got ahold of the god article...
Paul: The existence or non-existence of God is an insignificant question. It does not matter whether people believe in God, or whether God actually exists, or whether God is simply a figment of human mythology used as a simple answer for complicated questions. (Continued…)
Amy
posted 5/01/08 @ 3:24 PM EST
I like how people use theology to argue how important their opinions are versus thing that are so clearly seen. Hiding behind words and titles is NOT admirable. (Continued…)
PG
posted 5/01/08 @ 7:59 PM EST
Emmett and Zach, your comments were appreciated. I made this into an opinion column just for this purpose: because one could argue that reason and logic _can_ be used to develop faith. (Continued…)
Alli S
posted 5/02/08 @ 11:22 AM EST
You wrote in your article that "we are not born believing in god, but somewhere along the way it becomes real to us."
No, it's called our parents brainwashing us. (Continued…)
Chesterton
posted 5/02/08 @ 4:33 PM EST
Paul – I don't disagree with the premise that a "cataclysmic event" can result in a belief in God. Hence the old adage "there are not atheists in foxholes". (Continued…)
Jessica
posted 5/02/08 @ 5:57 PM EST
Many people come to know Christ in many different ways. I can really understand YOUR angle, Paul. God created your mind to crave supernatural evidence. (Continued…)
Emmett Hoveh
posted 5/03/08 @ 5:39 PM EST
As long as I bothered with the distinctions between religion and belief, I think it is important to also mention that it is impossible to discuss the existence or nonexistence of god without first defining the word. (Continued…)
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