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Atheists oversimplify religion

dawson.284@osu.edu

Published: Tuesday, October 20, 2009

Updated: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 20:10

The most interesting people to discuss religion with often don’t have a religion. Atheists have a singular way of looking at the world, and their views can add valuable insight to religious discussion. But they can also have an ugly side. At their worst, a militant atheist with a bone to pick with God can be an extreme nuisance to theological discussion. But even less argumentative atheists still tend to cynically view religion as a quaint philosophy on its way out.


They have lots of reasons why you could believe them. Science has obviously proved that evolution must be true, so any belief in a creator is obsolete. Bad things happen all the time, and in great frequency, so why would anyone believe in an all-powerful benevolent being? I’ve even read a blogger who asked why Christians would want health care. After all, they have the power of prayer!


These claims are gross caricatures, but atheists do make very broad assumptions about religion and the way people understand it. Their arguments tend to focus on the stereotypical Judeo-Christian deity. There’s a lot of variation even in the way that Christians understand God, without even bringing the world’s other faiths into the equation.

It doesn’t make sense to me that regular atheists generally don’t take interest in these subtleties. I think different religious philosophies are still fascinating even if you don’t believe in them.


It’s also curious how these angry atheists abuse science to make their points. They look around them at all the things that science has explained, and don’t see why anyone would need God for anything else. It’s one thing to see the evidence for how things work in the physical world, and accept and use the laws that science forms from these observations.

It’s another thing entirely to assume that because this process is so successful that the physical world is all there is. Atheism requires an equally large leap of faith, in this respect, as religion. It’s a bold, reasonless approach to make such arrogant conclusions like “there is no God” when there is not a single observation that supports this.


If atheists want to seriously debate religion, why don’t they approach religious differences and philosophy more accurately? I think that the core reason for this reluctance is unfortunately a genuine lack of intellectual curiosity. Rather than delve into the complex field of theology, they’re more satisfied with lumping every Calvinist, Sunni, Jain and Aborigine into a tiny monotheistic simplification that fails to address any substantial issue. I suspect that the average atheist is looking for a fight far more often than he’s interested in what his theistic friend might have to say.

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M I K E Y
Mon Feb 22 2010 13:07
Not being a religious person - it irritates me no end when people talk at length about religious issues. That is a personal matter - which I don't care about. They should be studying anyway. It just doesn't look good when each religion thinks they have a better vision - implying the other religions are inferior. The worst wars have always been fought over religion. I want to know what God tells them to kill the infidels & non-believers. I suppose it thins out the population - btter to practice birth control for that
Erniepaul Izereckt
Wed Nov 11 2009 03:02
Atheists R really only trying to make up 4 lost time by seemingly being so harsh at times.Also,us atheists R bringing religion 2 a close so god'll have 2 suck a dry-egg! N' all clergy can return 2 their jobs at the car-wash n' fast-food joints
Tom
Sun Nov 1 2009 10:23
Dear David Dawson,

Looks like you got served and are still in shock over it.

Pluto Animus
Thu Oct 29 2009 09:36
"It’s also curious how these angry atheists abuse science to make their points."
Give an example of this.
What? You can't? It's just typical, dishonest rhetoric from another dissembling believer?
I thought so.
(Isn't it odd that Mr. Dawson cannot bring himself to castigate the true abusers of science -- those Christian idiots who lie about geology to buttress their claim that the Grand Canyon formed overnight.)
Annie
Wed Oct 28 2009 12:09
Once again, the Lantern has proven to be terrible. I second Brian's comment about Fail Mountain. Way to be completely partisan and put ridiculously blanketed terms over ALL atheists. FYL.
Your name
Wed Oct 28 2009 08:18
Most old cynics started out as young romantics. I am not an athiest, but I do hold all religious groups on contempt. As a rule, each group feels morally superior to all other religious groups, and each will destroy anyone who doesn't share their beliefs. This applies to all religions, Christian and non-Christian alike.
Philip
Tue Oct 27 2009 17:30
Good article. It seems as though everyone agrees with your points, they are just a little upset that you generalized the issue; however, that's bound to happen, and so is not very important.

(Oddly, many agnostics in the comments section have come out as saying they are atheists. This is quite puzzling. If I ask the question "Does God exist?" and you say "No" then I am entitled to ask "How do you know that?" If you don't have the belief that "God does not exist" then you should not have answered "No". You are obligated to answer that you don't know. Please, agnostics, words mean things.)

Fernando Poo
Tue Oct 27 2009 02:24
Did you know that God's name is Eris, and that he is a girl? Well, he IS a girl, and his name is Eris!
Zara Axelro
Tue Oct 27 2009 01:50
It's a trap! This article was meant to do nothing more than spark debate! Don't fall for it! No one else reply! ALL HAIL HYPNOTOAD!
Amarillo Tim
Mon Oct 26 2009 19:26
Most Atheists I know used to be part of a Religion. They understood the Religion and rejected it. I dissagree with this article
Joe McNally
Mon Oct 26 2009 15:11
It's a good thing that, unlike atheists, the author doesn't overgeneralize and lump together his philosophical counterparts. Because that would be completely hypocritical.
Humanist
Mon Oct 26 2009 12:29
Dissappointed in the "Lantern" editorial staff, hopefully in the future they will be more discerning. David Dawson, if you are a journalism student you have a lot to learn,but keep trying we all make mistakes.
Steven McQueen
Mon Oct 26 2009 12:24
Now this is the story all about how
My life got flipped, turned upside down
And Id like to take a minute just sit right there
Ill tell you how I became the prince of a town called bel-air

In west philadelphia born and raised
On the playground where I spent most of my days
Chilling out, maxing, relaxing all cool
And all shooting some b-ball outside of the school
When a couple of guys said were up in no good
Started making trouble in my neighbourhood
I got in one little fight and my mom got scared
And said you're moving with your auntie and uncle in bel-air

Jon
Mon Oct 26 2009 10:24
The most interesting people to discuss atheism with often aren't atheists. Theists have a singular way of looking at the world, and their views can add valuable insight to religious discussion. But they can also have an ugly side. At their worst, a militant theist with a bone to pick with humanity can be an extreme nuisance to theological discussion. But even less argumentative theists still tend to cynically view atheism as a quaint philosophy on its way out.

There, I fixed it.

Steve Eylar
Mon Oct 26 2009 10:12
So, isn't that just the pot calling the kettle black. He's complaining that atheists misrepresent religion, while misrepresenting the atheist views. If you want atheists to recognize god, then just provide some believable evidence of existence. When you do, there will be no atheists. Until then, all myths are the same unsubstantiated claims on par with pixies and demons. The subtleties are irrelevant.
Ashley Paramore
Mon Oct 26 2009 10:02
Wow - this guy has obviously never really hung out with a group of atheists. Sad. I'll be writing the paper.
Ashley Paramore
Mon Oct 26 2009 10:00
Wow - this guy has obviously never really hung out with a group of atheists. Sad. I'll be writing the paper.
Zachariah
Sun Oct 25 2009 17:05
This is all memory psychology. Just as we always remember the 'fire and brimstone' Oval-angelist, because he sticks out in our memory, we always remember the seemingly malicious atheist. Yet, we often forget the moderate, loving, decent people on both sides of the theological line, who do want to have an intelligent, friendly conversation. We do this simply because they make less of an impression upon our memory. So, like, let's try to remember those amongst us who want to have these conversations. Those of us who want to learn something from one another.

Two things, I think, are important:
1. Remember those who are trying to make discussion
2. Forget those who are trying to make pronouncements. Pronouncing and discussing are not one in the same.

Jerry
Sat Oct 24 2009 14:54
Religion is easy to understand. You consider your group to be better than anyone else, and destroy anybody who thinks differently than you. This principle applies to all religions, Christian and non-Christian alike.
JB
Sat Oct 24 2009 13:40
I think this author is writing about more modern, "pop atheists," such as Richard Dawkins. Dawkins, and the amateur philosophers he inspires, consistently look down their noses at those with strong religious beliefs. They don't simply want to be left alone, it seems they want to abolish all religion. In their view, the influence of religion on public thought is totally unacceptable.

In my experience, these people use basic, generalized arguments (ex. if you reject all other gods, why do you believe in one?) and don't care to get into specifics. Few take the time to learn the fascinating belief structures behind world religions, shrugging it all off as irrelevant hogwash. I imagine many modern atheists see atheism not as an informed philosophical position, but as a rebellion against tradition, certain political positions influenced by religion and instances of hypocrisy.

For me, atheism seems a negative, empty and sometimes vitriolic philoshphy. I don't care to have any part of it, but to each his own.

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