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Be open-minded, not hypocritical

A letter to the editor

By Elijah Talamas

Graduate student, entomology

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Published: Tuesday, October 27, 2009

Updated: Tuesday, October 27, 2009

David Dawson’s column about atheism is an example of hypocrisy.


He began with the statement “Atheists have a singular way of looking at the world.” As an atheist, I would like to know what exactly is singular about not believing in god(s). Those who follow a religion exclude other religions from the subjective realm of theistic truth (perhaps with the exception of the Baha’i). Atheists simply reject them all.


His article continued “atheists do make very broad assumptions about religion”. In this very statement he does exactly that for which he denigrates atheists. I personally find many elements of religion to be fascinating, many of which I have borrowed in the construction of my own philosophy, but according to David Dawson, “regular atheists” don’t take interest in such things. What is a regular atheist anyway?


Next he accuses atheists of abusing science. He alludes to the hypothetico-deductive reasoning that science uses to test ideas, but seems not to understand it when he claims that there is no single observation to support that “there is no God.” Mr. Dawson should note that there is no single observation to support the absence of the Loch Ness monster, or that there are no maniacal leprechauns in search of their missing gold. In fact, no absence has ever been supported by an observation because this is not possible. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence for any entity. Is it therefore an “arrogant conclusion” to disbelieve in leprechauns?


Mr. Dawson states that atheism requires a leap of faith, and here he is wrong again. Faith is belief in something that is unobserved and atheism does not do this. Eventually he resorts to insults by stating that the core reason for atheism’s “inaccurate approach” is a lack of intellectual curiosity. That is quite an offensive statement from someone who attempts to speak against broad generalizations. In essence, David Dawson’s demonstrates his own narrow mindedness about a belief system that is as valid as any theistic one.


Finally, as a scientist, I contend that one cannot conclusively debate religion because an untestable set of ideas can never be supported or rejected by evidence. I will, however, debate the merits of open mindedness and the dangers of stereotyping a group of people based on their belief regarding deities. In this instance, it is David Dawson who picked a fight, not the atheists.

Comments

23 comments
Brenton
Sat Oct 31 2009 10:02
There is a lot that can be added to this discussion, but I simply want to thank Elijah Talamas for writing the letter and The Lantern for publishing it.
Peace on earth
Thu Oct 29 2009 09:07
I am not taking one side or the other (and I am not going to state how I feel, but I will say that I have strong feelings in one direction on this matter), obvioulsy one side is not going to sway the other. I guess we'll know who was right when we die right? Until that time, can't we all just get along? We will either all live in eternal glory as religous people believe, or we will turn into compost like the athiests feel we do.
Dave
Wed Oct 28 2009 19:08
Thanks for pointing out that Dawson picked the fight. It would be interesting if religious people could make some argument for why I should love Jesus instead of being all, "Atheists are DUMB!" Please, tell me how nice it is to be loved by Jesus or repulsed by sex or whatever, so I can come around to your Point of View. Otherwise, I might start to suspect that the only reason you guys take on the scary scary atheists is to shore up your own beliefs. You know, identity politics.

Or, just put a gun to my head and convert me. What's stopping you?

John
Wed Oct 28 2009 17:49
I find it funny how religious people pose the question to Atheists "can explain the origin of life?"
They want an answer instantly when, in reality, scientists will be the first to tell you they're not there yet, but they're working towards it.
They just say "God did it of course" and that is a good enough answer. They want facts and figures yet all they believe in is what they read in a fictional book.
Joe
Wed Oct 28 2009 16:17
JB wrote:
"So, criticizing atheists is a major sin, but making fun of those with religious beliefs is all just fun & games"
I whole-heartedly agree with him on this.
Marilyn LaCourt
Wed Oct 28 2009 13:50
An introductory course in communication will explain in quite simple terms how we make meanings. We perceive something and we attribute meaning. That is the definition of communication. We attribute meaning to that which we perceive individually and collectively. We adjudicate social reality. Obviously language plays a major role in this. It is difficult for us to have an experience for which we do not have words. We are born into a culture and a language that is ready made for us to make meanings. Our language both restricts and embellishes what we perceive and how we attribute meanings.
Also, the argument that atheists have faith in science galls me. There is a difference between faith, belief without evidence, and trust, a belief based on evidence and probabilities.
JB
Wed Oct 28 2009 12:50
So, criticizing atheists is a major sin, but making fun of those with religious beliefs is all just fun & games?

..and you wonder why people seem closed to atheism?

Joe
Wed Oct 28 2009 12:40
I am an athiest, too. What helps me to tolerate the comments of religious fanatics is to think about the fact that anyone who is not an athiest will burn in hell.
Joe
Wed Oct 28 2009 12:39
I am an athiest, too. What helps me to tolerate the comments of religious fanatics is to think about the fact that anyone who is not an athiest will burn in hell.
Joe
Wed Oct 28 2009 12:37
I am an athiest, too. What helps me to tolerate the comments of religious fanatics is to think about the fact that anyone who is not an athiest will burn in hell.
ThinkPresuppositionally
Wed Oct 28 2009 12:16
Pluto Animus, that is poor, poor logic.
Of course I'm not saying that I am the arbiter of truth.
I am arguing that we need an outside reference point to know truth.
Can you explain to me how that is arrogant?
Ashley Paramore
Wed Oct 28 2009 12:15
Very well said.
Pluto Animus
Wed Oct 28 2009 11:58
"Your offense implies some sort of free will, which doesn't make sense if we are purely matter."
So, if you, personally don't understand how a concept can be valid, then it cannot be true?
You are the arbiter of what can and cannot be true, based on your ability to understand things?
You must be the smartest person in the whole world.
My, you believers certainly are arrogant.
ThinkPresuppositionally
Wed Oct 28 2009 11:42
Jimmy, as to creating meaning. What is your reference point? I am not asserting a sky daddy gives meaning, I am asserting that a reference point is necessary to give meaning. Think of a line graph, any point on that graph is defined in reference to the point of origin, normally point (0,0). Without a point of reference, there is no meaning to logically attribute to the point. The point (3,4) would have no meaning without (0,0) providing the basis for the point being over three and up four.

What then is the reference point for us to attribute or create meaning? This question is what leads me to nihilism (which is hard to live consistently with in our world) as the logical conclusion of atheism.

ThinkPresuppositionally
Wed Oct 28 2009 11:23
Jimmy, you essentially just said the equivolent of the third-grade response, "Nu-uh".

Plus, "we create meaning ourselves"? Come on. On what basis?

If that is the case, then we have no basis for communication at all, because everything is just a linguistic construct. Check out the philosophical flow of history dude.

Jimmy
Wed Oct 28 2009 11:09
Plus, how can you say science has no "leaps of faith"? Explain to me the origin of life. How did nonliving matter become living matter?

And if you say natural selection, it only shows your scientific ignorance...I agree that it explains mutations and diversity and even certain levels of evolution, but being able to reproduce is required for natural selection to take place. And that cannot happen until there is already life...

No casual fan of biology would even think to attribute natural selection to the origin of life. Evolution by natural selection has nothing to do with how life began.

Read more, and not just from what you get at the xtian bookstore.

Jimmy
Wed Oct 28 2009 10:59
ThinkPresuppositionally ,

Take a biology class, dude. You may learn something. You aren't the first to present these strawmen and factual inaccuracies. Atheists are not nihilists. Nobody needs an invisible sky daddy to invent meaning. We create that ourselves.

You'rethehypocrite
Wed Oct 28 2009 09:49
This response is just as hypocritical and unintelligent as the original editorial is alleged to be.
Open-minded my @ss. HA!
ThinkPresuppositionally
Wed Oct 28 2009 09:44
I find it interesting that your strickly chemical body, since that it all that matter is, took offense at this article.

Your offense implies some sort of free will, which doesn't make sense if we are purely matter. You can only really be offended if the other person had a choice in what they did.

It makes no sense, though; baking soda doesn't get upset when vinegar mixes with it and a chemical reaction occurs. And in reality, what seperates you from baking soda and vinegar? According to the atheistic worldview, nothing.

How can you take offense to this persons chemically determined view of things?

Also, why take offense? What is the point? There is no meaning to life...except possibly 42...because we are only small chance beings on a planet, in a solar system, in a galaxy, among millions in the universe.

Ultimately, why even bother? Your taking offense only shows that you think for some reason that your view matters, which it doesn't.

Plus, how can you say science has no "leaps of faith"? Explain to me the origin of life. How did nonliving matter become living matter?

And if you say natural selection, it only shows your scientific ignorance...I agree that it explains mutations and diversity and even certain levels of evolution, but being able to reproduce is required for natural selection to take place. And that cannot happen until there is already life...

Masterforce
Wed Oct 28 2009 09:32
Proud of you , BB.






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