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Campus smoking ban would launch petty crusade against bad habits

miller.4410@osu.edu

Published: Sunday, April 18, 2010

Updated: Sunday, April 18, 2010 21:04

The possibility of a campus smoking ban has received recent attention. Ohio State President E. Gordon Gee expressed support for it during his quarterly visit with The Lantern two weeks ago. It was also an issue that separated the campaigns running in the USG election.

Gee said he would support and welcome a smoking ban to campus, though he admitted it is not his top priority. So it is unclear how close OSU is to becoming a tobacco-free campus. But regardless of the imminence, this initiative should be opposed and rejected.

Banning smoking on campus would be a radical solution to a manageable problem. Perhaps I have weak senses or just like the smell, but I do not find the problem to be that bad in the first place. I can understand how someone puffing on a cigarette just outside an open classroom window might be unpleasant. But to complain about someone smoking on a sidewalk and the agony suffered by surrounding non-smokers is an exaggeration.

It is reasonable to expect give-and-take from both sides, preferably in which the individual parties can referee themselves. Smokers should exhibit the courtesy of not smoking just outside doors and windows. Likewise, non-smokers must concede that people have the right to smoke.

Too often, individuals favor restrictions that burden "the other guy" until, some day, they find themselves in the regulatory crosshairs. Then they oppose the regulations, but it is often too late because there are no more "other guys" backing them up.

Imagine if the university banned chewing gum on campus because it wreaks havoc on the sidewalks. Gum-chewers would be outraged, but naturally they could argue that smoking is a much bigger problem and that the university should ban smoking before banning gum.

This would force the university to evaluate its priorities and, in all likelihood, gum would be saved. But if smoking on campus had already been banned, the gum-chewers would not have that argument at their disposal. Basically, students, to avoid further infringement, should try to keep the argument on the campus vs. smoking level.

Gee said "smoking is an irresponsible habit, and I would hope that anyone who does it would stop." No one is arguing that, but if our objective is eliminating bad habits, then why stop with cigarettes? Fast food, pop, speedy bikers, flip-flops and iPods can also be dangerous. Why don't we ban those things?

Proponents of the ban might argue that smoking is the most harmful habit among students. But if smoking was banned, what then becomes the most dangerous habit and, thus, the next target?

Smoking is often targeted because it is the easiest thing to pick on. Defending the act of smoking seems heinous and inhumane and it is difficult to oppose smoking bans completely without sounding like an advocate.

I am not a smoker and, therefore, am neither defending nor promoting the activity. I am simply supporting an individual's right to smoke, which is not something that should be taken away from students or faculty.

It is difficult to know how serious the possibility of this ban is, but it should be opposed every step of the way until it is defeated.

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36 comments

Anonymous
Fri Jul 22 2011 19:31
The argument is not about bad habits! I could careless if someone wants to smoke, smoke weed, do a little blow, shoot up what ever they want! I just want my rights of choice not be be infringed upon! Meaning I have made the choice to just breath and believe it or not, this is not just a choice. I have to breath to live! To smoke is strictly a choice, you could live with out it. I find it funny when a smoker tries to use the excuse that it is an addictive habit and they just need it to calm their nerves. LOL The smoker wouldn't be addicted if they had never started, that again was a choice. I do not use any drug to calm my nerves! It is weakness of a smoker! So, why should a person that made the opposite choice have to be forced to smell, breath in the dangerous chemicals/poisons, because of someone else decides to take this risk with their life. To me it is the same as drinking and driving, when you decide to drink and then drive you are putting others lives at risk because of your decision to risk your own life and drive. Smoking is the same, just because you decide to put your own life at risk and smoke, does not give you the right to put other people's lives at risk with 2nd and 3rd hand smoke. I see it that if smoking was not harmful to others then, I would agree that a smoker has equal rights as non-smokers. But, because of the health risk, it is not! Non-Smokers have made the decision to try to breath with out the over 250 dangerous poisons/chemicals being deliberately sucked down into their lugs!
Anonymous
Wed Dec 22 2010 01:18
McFadden's libel continues unabated. If tobacco org is such a toady for the "NicoGummyPatchyProduct: sellers, then why does it regularly include in its news coverage articles from Philip Morris, tobacco control gadfly Michael Siegel and anti-pharmaceutical advocate John Polito?
Anonymous
Fri Oct 22 2010 23:48
Who is this "Dr Madden" and why does he disagree with virtually every other doctor and scientist in the world? Did someone just make up the name and attribute a bunch of lies to it?!
Mick Buber
Mon Jun 21 2010 14:52
That's why I got an electronic cigarettes. Basically it's a cigarette-shaped device that produces a tarless vapour that looks, tastes and feels like tobacco smoke, but with no carcinogens. I've been smoking my electronic cigarette for about 8 months now and I feel way better than I used to when I smoked "regular" cigarettes. It doesn't have the same energy-draining effect that cigarettes do and I breathe more easily now. I can smoke it inside because it doesn't burn anything and I've even been permitted to smoke it inside at my pub. Everytime someone sees me with it, they want one. I found mine at www.mistycig.com. So good luck my fellow smokers, you can quit and keep smoking!
Neal Hicks
Fri Apr 30 2010 08:55
I worked in a restaurant that went through a series of changes. When I started there, the larger part of the restaurant was smoking, the smaller part non-smoking. After a couple years, that reversed, no effect on business. Then due to one person who insisted on stinking up the place with really rancid cigars, we banned cigars. That lost us one customer. Eventually (and before the smoking ban) we went smoke free. Y'know, business went right on. People had their smoke before coming in, they came in and ate, and then lit back up after leaving.

Claims that smoking bans force placed out of business are BS. You have to ask yourself, if you're a bar or restaurant, and banning smoking is going to drive you out of business, then clearly your customers thought your food and drink was crap and only valued your establishment as a smoking lounge. At that point, you got bigger worries than a smoking ban.

LOL at seeing these "authoritative medical comments" attributed to some operatives from Dick Armey's Freedomworks, or Americans for Prosperity or other faux grassroots lobbying group fake. Go home, rubes. During the health care reform fight, our eyes were opened to your methods. What's next, gonna tell us smoking bans are like Nazi Germany? The Surgeon General is a socialist?

Anonymous
Thu Apr 29 2010 23:03
And finally (this may be the sentence that has been blocking my ability to post on this, the screwiest message board _ever_):

-Pooled relative risks from meta-analyses indicate a 25 to 30 percent increase in the risk of coronary heart disease from exposure to secondhand smoke.

Anonymous
Thu Apr 29 2010 23:01
OK, here's a little more from the SGR that the supposedly omniscient McF somehow overlooked:

-The pooled evidence indicates a 20 to 30 percent increase in the risk of lung cancer from secondhand smoke exposure associated with living with a smoker.

-The evidence is sufficient to infer a causal relationship between exposure to secondhand smoke and increased risks of coronary heart disease morbidity and mortality among both men and women.

-Evidence from peer-reviewed studies shows that smoke-free policies and regulations do not have an adverse economic impact on the hospitality industry.

-Exposures of nonsmokers to secondhand smoke cannot be controlled by air cleaning or mechanical air exchange.

Anonymous
Thu Apr 29 2010 23:00

Ahh Gene, you know I love it when my omniscience is recognized.... :>

Clearly I chose selections to illustrated my point that the SG Report isn't quite what it's generally portrayed as: a strongly universal and unequivocal condemnation of secondary smoke exposure as being the cause of almost everything except hangnails.

Of the points you posted however, let me take one of them aside for a bit of thought:

1) Evidence from peer-reviewed studies shows that smoke-free policies and regulations do not have an adverse economic impact on the hospitality industry.

Gene, how about we invite the readers to check out just what those "peer-reviewed" studies look like, and how and why they come up with the conclusions that they do? Rather than post the entire argument at length here, I'd like to suggest folks simply visit Jacob Grier's column at:

http://www.jacobgrier.com/blog/archives/2210.html

and read my several "AfterComments" there. You'll see how the figures were juggled to deliberately hide the devastation of the bar industry, and you'll see WHY they were juggled when you look at the promises made in the half-million-dollar grant proposal. You'll note how the "proper" research results were promised before the research was even done! Take a look at that, read the study itself too if you like, and then think about how much faith you want to put into advocacy studies even when they're "peer-reviewed." A lot of the studies out there that support smoking bans are not so easily reviewed for accuracy or for possible funding bias. But most of the flagship studies that they use to promote these bans to student councils and state legislatures that ARE open to more careful review seem to have severe problems: as examined clearly in the "high heels" booklet that Gene loves to deride.

Neal Hicks, you'll note the above writing speaks to your point as well.


Michael J. McFadden Author of "Dissecting Antismokers' Brains"

Gene
Thu Apr 29 2010 22:48
OK, I'll provide a little more from the SGR that the proudly omniscient McF somehow missed:

--The pooled evidence indicates a 20 to 30 percent increase in the risk of lung cancer from secondhand smoke exposure associated with living with a smoker.

--The evidence is sufficient to infer a causal relationship between exposure to secondhand smoke and increased risks of coronary heart disease morbidity and mortality among both men and women.

--Pooled relative risks from meta-analyses indicate a 25 to 30 percent increase in the risk of coronary heart disease from exposure to secondhand smoke.

--Evidence from peer-reviewed studies shows that smoke-free policies and regulations do not have an adverse economic impact on the hospitality industry.

--Exposures of nonsmokers to secondhand smoke cannot be controlled by air cleaning or mechanical air exchange.

Anonymous
Thu Apr 29 2010 22:46
I love it when McF gets all LOL-ing. He does it with creepy frequency, always when palpably hit. Which of course happens a lot. His neighbors must hear all that insane cackling and stay far, far away.

Don't be coy, McF, we all know harleyrider posted the Madden letter; he posts it, along with the other nonsensical boilerplate here, all over the internet (google it).

I wasn't selecting SGR findings, just posted a short batch, enough to prove your bias. If you want more, no problem. hold on.

But it seems to me that the SGR, by listing what it could determine and what it couldn't, struck a good _balance_ in presenting the state of the science today.

After all, that is what scientists do.

Spammers and book promoters, however, just cherry-pick, and, in their duplicitous nationwide campaign, pretend that's all there is.

Michael J. McFadden
Thu Apr 29 2010 16:13
LOL! I love it when Gene gets all hot 'n bothered... always makes for fun reading here. But this has got to be one of his best: "you're really enraged, with violent visions of slicing and dicing and eviscerating. You can see it in your chosen language--all your stiletto-wielding, brains-dissecting imagery. Despite your attempts at civilized demeanor, that near-uncontrollable rage keeps peeking out." Truly amazing guy! I'd fit right in on Dexter I guess, except that the Antismokers raised such a stink about his sister sneaking two or three cigs a season amidst all the comparatively innocent serial killing, drinking, sex, and dismemberments that fill the rest of the episodes.

Gene states I "claim" to know the provenance of the Madden letter but won't share it. LOL! Dr. Madden wrote that letter to Audrey Silk, founder and director of New York's Citizens League Against Smoker Harassment NYCLASH.com on May 20th, 2005. As to the poster who posted it here I'd guess it might be your pet bugaboo, HarleyRider, but I don't really know.

As for "plugging my book every chance (I) get" you may notice that aside from identifying myself often enough so that you can't grandstand about my "hidden competing interest" I actually often sign my posts simply as - MJM -- Guess I'm not just much of a marketing guru, eh?

Your list from the SGR is telling: note that even though you looked for the best on the other side of the coin you still filled it up with "sufficient to infers" and a "could increase the risk." I could add another dozen or so of the "not sufficient" etcs. if you like but didn't want to be accused of cut 'n paste spamming. The point in my posting was simply to clearly show that the "mountains of studies" are not quite as cut and dried as you and your buddies generally proclaim.

Thanks for asking about the letter and sharing your own selections from the SGR. Want to share a couple of studies from there where the research actually showed and backed up the claim that "there is no safe level of exposure to secondhand smoke" ? Or is that simply the SG's personal opinion?

- MJM

Anonymous
Thu Apr 29 2010 14:16
gee, McF, while you're quoting from the estimable 2006 Surgeon General's Report, why don't you do a complete job? Here, I'll help:

--The evidence is sufficient to infer a causal relationship between exposure to secondhand smoke and its condensates and tumors in laboratory animals.

--The evidence indicates multiple mechanisms by which secondhand smoke exposure causes injury to the respiratory tract.

--The evidence indicates mechanisms by which secondhand smoke exposure could increase the risk for sudden infant death syndrome.

--The evidence is sufficient to infer that exposure to secondhand smoke causes atherosclerosis in animal models.

--The evidence is sufficient to infer a causal relationship between exposure to secondhand smoke and sudden infant death syndrome.

--The evidence is sufficient to infer a causal relationship between parental smoking and middle ear disease in children, including acute and recurrent otitis media and chronic middle ear effusion.

Anonymous
Thu Apr 29 2010 14:15
McF claims to "know the provenance" of the supposed Madden letter, but fails to share it with the rest of us ignorant peons. And in all his supposed namings, he also neglects to name the infamous spammer who posted that and reams of other boilerplate swill. After all, that individual is on McF's side.

And it's odd McF should accuse others of making money from posting on message boards. The only people I know of who make money from such ephemeral activities are stealth viral marketers and book salesmen out to plug their books every chance they get. Last I googled "antismokers brains" I got 13,000 links(!)

Anonymous
Thu Apr 29 2010 14:08
Yeah, yeah, I know the meanings of stiletto.

Clearly you prefer the knife version, though few Lantern students will think of that first. Are you trying to impress 50's J.D.s? I prefer the high-heel definition--it better fits a drama queen.

But your choice is telling. We all know that beneath that smug little "I'm so reasonable" veneer, you're really enraged, with violent visions of slicing and dicing and eviscerating. You can see it in your chosen language--all your stiletto-wielding, brains-dissecting imagery. Despite your attempts at civilized demeanor, that near-uncontrollable rage keeps peeking out. But I think is has little to do with smoking or science. I think it has to do with you.

I know you think it's cute, or manly or something, but you really should get it looked at, if you haven't already alienated all the medical personnel in your vicinity.

Michael J. McFadden
Tue Apr 27 2010 21:46
Since Gene evinced an interest in the Surgeon General's Report, perhaps he'd like me to share a baker's dozen of the "conclusions" that can be found in its early page, courtesy of Gary Kaiser:

1. The evidence is inadequate to infer the presence or absence of a causal relationship between maternal exposure to secondhand smoke and female fertility or fecundability.

The evidence is inadequate to infer the presence or absence of a causal relationship between maternal exposure to secondhand smoke during pregnancy and spontaneous abortion.

3. The evidence is inadequate to infer the presence or absence of a causal relationship between exposure to secondhand smoke and neonatal mortality.

4. The evidence is suggestive but not sufficient to infer a causal relationship between maternal exposure to secondhand smoke during pregnancy and preterm delivery.

5. The evidence is inadequate to infer the presence or absence of a causal relationship between exposure to secondhand smoke and congenital malformations.

6. The evidence is inadequate to infer the presence or absence of a causal relationship between exposure to secondhand smoke and cognitive functioning among children.

7. The evidence is inadequate to infer the presence or absence of a causal relationship between exposure to secondhand smoke and behavioral problems among children.

8. The evidence is inadequate to infer the presence or absence of a causal relationship between exposure to secondhand smoke and children’s height/growth.

9. The evidence is suggestive but not sufficient to infer a causal relationship between prenatal and postnatal exposure to secondhand smoke and childhood cancer.

10. The evidence is inadequate to infer the presence or absence of a causal relationship between maternal exposure to secondhand smoke during pregnancy and childhood cancer.

11. The evidence is inadequate to infer the presence or absence of a causal relationship between exposure to secondhand smoke during infancy and childhood cancer.

12. The evidence is suggestive but not sufficient to infer a causal relationship between prenatal and postnatal exposure to secondhand smoke and childhood leukemias.

13. The evidence is suggestive but not sufficient to infer a causal relationship between prenatal and postnatal exposure to secondhand smoke and childhood lymphomas.

There are a good number more along those lines just in the Introduction, Summary, Conclusions section of the Report, but you won't be seeing them in the headlines or highlighted at Tobacco.org: they're just not the "right" kind of news I guess.

- MJM

Michael J. McFadden
Tue Apr 27 2010 21:32
Hello Anonymous. Nice to see you. You are incorrect however: the Madden letter is not a fake. I happen to know its provenance. It was posted by someone else (which is why there's the intro line saying "A letter from a doctor:") but the letter itself is genuine.

The Surgeon General's Report is good reading. Any student who reads it will find that nowhere in its actual body does it say "there is no safe level of secondhand smoke" despite the fact that Antismokers always claim falsely that it does. The SG himself offered that as an opinion, but there are no actual scientific studies to back the proposition up other than the general idea that Class A Carcinogens such as sunshine, alcohol, aflatoxin in most peanut butter, arsenic in your ordinary glass of tap water, etc have never been shown to have any absolutely "safe levels".

The "New Stiletto" btw is not named after a shoe: it's meant to be a sharp and deadly weapon that's easily carried and very cheap (i.e. free) for people to use in self-defense when attacked by brutes with a bg club made of tax money.

So, sorry Mr. Borio, you'll have to do better than that. Meanwhile folks here might enjoy googling Tobacco.org and checking out its own background funding. Don't be too surprised when you see the NicoGummyPatchyProduct sellers or their buddies in there. Tobacco.org, Smoke Free Campuses, and the other ban pushers generally have more money than Midas and have no hesitancy about using it to club down resistance.

- MJM

Anonymous
Tue Apr 27 2010 18:06
McFadden "corrects" all sorts of things, but fails to correct the fact that the Madden letter, the subject of considerable confusion here, is a fake--the boilerplate was posted by someone else. And McF knows it. (You can google the text to find out who did post it, it's been spammed onto message boards all over the internet.)

I'd like to offer the OSU students a free tool that will help them better understand what's happening on their campus--it's the 2006 Surgeon General's Report on Secondhand Smoke. A simple google turns it up.

Best of all? It's NOT named after a high heel shoe style.

Anonymous
Fri Apr 23 2010 01:53
Even if smoking was banned, people wouldn't follow it. Smoking is supposed to be banned at the medical center, but I still have to suffer walking through clouds of smoke to get to class. And while I can't stop people who insist on killing themselves with cigarettes, I would appreciate if they did it somewhere away from where its banned. I'm very sensitive to cigarette smoke, and even walking outside near people smoking is enough to make me ill. I wish current bans could be enforced, especially at the medical center, so patients and innocent students don't have to suffer.
Anonymous
Wed Apr 21 2010 23:05
i don't smoke myself and don't care if other people do, but my problem with smoking on campus is the habit people have of tossing their butts on the ground. are you really too lazy to find walk 10 feet to a trash can? sure you can say everybody litters blah blah blah but i don't see 100 big mac wrappers outside the library entrance.
Michael J. McFadden
Wed Apr 21 2010 15:00
Neal you seem to have some fundamental misunderstanding here. You say, "2nd hand smoke is chemically more hazardous to those around the smoker than the "1st hand smoke" is to the smoker. " and that is incorrect. It would only hold true if you put a little soda straw right over the end of a burning cigarette and captured that smoke in full concentration and then breathed it in.

Of course you don't do that. In most situations with decent normal ventilation you will be breathing about 1/1,000th the concentration/quantity of smoke that a smoker inhales. With well designed ventilation that might go down to 1/10,000th or less. Visit antibrains.com and read the section on secondary smoke there. Just as with my invitation for the Stiletto several posts below please feel free to offer any specific substantive criticisms of anything you find there. I am open about who I am and what my claimed "competing interest" might be, and I stand firmly behind what I write.

Michael J. McFadden
Author of "Dissecting Antismokers' Brains"





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