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Guns on campus necessary for safety

Letter to the editor

Senior in Psychology, political science, security and intelligence

Published: Thursday, March 11, 2010

Updated: Friday, March 12, 2010 16:03

My thoughts and prayers go out to those affected by the recent violence on our campus.

Events on our Ohio State campus over the last couple weeks — two alleged sexual assaults, one alleged physical assault, and now an alleged shooting resulting in the murder of at least one and the hospitalization of at least two — demonstrate that something more must be done to ensure the safety of everyone who sets foot on the campus.


We can set up all of the blue lights that we want, promote the student escort service endlessly, tell people to walk in groups, screen people for psychological disorders and employ more police officers — all fine ideas — but the fact would remain that we are vulnerable on our campus.


This is not to knock anyone's efforts to improve security, and I am certainly not giving our OSU Police anything less than the full admiration that they deserve, but we could hire 10 times as many police officers and they still wouldn't be able to be everywhere at all times.

We would still be vulnerable. This is because OSU does not allow its law-abiding students and employees to carry a concealed weapon, even after the extensive background check, training, and certification that is required in order to obtain a concealed carry permit.


We have, for all intents and purposes, set our campus up as a target for crimes, because criminals know that, by law, the victims that they prey upon here cannot be armed in order to defend themselves. The area where it is legal to carry a weapon to defend yourself stops before the campus border, making you instantly more vulnerable once you cross High Street.


Here is my point — we should not be legally mandating the defenselessness of our students on this campus. We should be given the choice, the option, the freedom to responsibly carry a weapon and defend ourselves if necessary. Women should not fear a sexual assault on this campus. Students should not fear a gunman opening fire on a crowded classroom. Employees — staff, administration, faculty — should not fear disgruntled workers taking out their anger on them.


This is not to say that allowing concealed carry will guarantee our safety — nothing can absolutely guarantee it — and I am not claiming that concealed carry would have prevented all of the recent crimes, but the more reasonable steps that we can take against potential criminals the better. Every option, including concealed carry, should be on the table. We should all have the right to protect ourselves from these situations.


The sooner we get past the political correctness and the squeamishness about guns, the sooner that we fix this, the better. Bigger things than our comfort level are at stake because, as the past couple weeks have shown (and as the much worse school shootings at places like Virginia Tech should constantly remind us), people's safety and people's lives are literally at stake.

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27 comments

FiveOh
Sat Apr 3 2010 04:16
It's not about having the free choice to carry a concealed weapon. Because, of course, if barring civilians from carrying concealed weapons was proven to lower firearm deaths and injuries, the "free choice" argument is invalid.

What it IS about is the lack of the police and government's ability to protect each citizen from assaults and death from criminals (self admitted, and I wouldn't expect them to be capable of carrying such an impossible responsibility). Until they can provide that protection, they have no right to take that ability from each of us for ourselves and our loved ones. When someone previously posted that it is a 'childish obsession with guns", all I could think about is my innocent children and spouse and how anyone could honestly think my 'obsession' is 'childish'.

As a police officer myself, I have seen individuals shot to death several minutes *after* they ran from their attacker, only to be shot to death cowering behind a couch, car, or other object. Would you be willing to tell any of them that their desire to have a concealed carry license and gun, if they had such a desire, was a "childish obsession'?

Karl Spaulding
Wed Mar 31 2010 14:14
Anon, Utah has had legal "campus carry" in it's colleges since 2003. Feel free to post all the horrible gunfights and massacres that have happened in that state since then.

Or you could post more drivel with no supporting evidence for your claims. For example, there are now more guns in the U.S. than ten years ago, but the crime rate has stayed low. I guess all those new guns are in hiding, just waiting for the "right time" to get people to pull their triggers in anger?

Address Dr. Gary Kleck's work on guns and violence. Address Joyce Lee Malcolm's work on "The English Experience." Address Gary Mauser's work in Canada. There is now a large body of professional literature on this subject area, but you are apparently not aware of it. Study crime and criminals instead of making assumptions about how nonviolent gun owners act based upon your own prejudices. I have owned guns since I was 14 years old and have yet to threaten anybody with one. I went to Gulf War One and ran EPW missions with my unit and never pointed either my M16 or my M1911 at any prisoners, because there was no need to. Among the over 150 soldiers in my MP unit, not one used a gun in "a fit of anger" or to "make a point." We had maybe a couple fistfights, some heated arguments and one negligent discharge of a pistol in a parking lot (the bullet hit the pavement). I guess Army Reservists are just so much more stable and nonviolent than everyone else, eh? Or maybe Saudi Arabia and being away from home for over five months was so low stress on everyone of us?

Again, please address REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE instead of spreading your own form of disinformation.

Karl

Anonymous
Tue Mar 30 2010 08:13
It is high time that this country got over its childish obsession with guns and gun violence. We alone among all the nations of the western world tolerate an astronomical gun homicide rate, and yet our only answer to it is "more guns". Our universities are, and must remain, the example of free speech and tolerance to the rest of the nation, and allowing handguns to be carried on a campus is the absolute antithesis of that ideal. How often in society do trivial differences of opinion turn into deadly episodes when firearms are at hand? How many times would we see overwrought students resort so easily to the gun when other students, or faculty, don't comply with their misguided wishes?

No, we have too many guns in our society, and too much "gun culture" in our collective psyche already. We need to keep our young people safe from casual violence, and teach them that there is a better way to work out their differences with one another.

Anonymous
Sun Mar 21 2010 22:04
We do not live in fear. You are the ones who fear your own fellow citizens being armed. We support freedom. The freedom to carry a gun to protect yourself, or the freedom to choose not to do so. The point is, we all deserve to be able to make that choice for ourselves.
Anonymous
Fri Mar 19 2010 12:28
karl, you mad?
Karl Spaulding
Fri Mar 19 2010 10:47
The last "anon" wrote:

"here's a cool little ad hominem: you gun idiots are out of your minds..."

Wow.

To me, failing to even recognize the concept of addressing the scientific literature, and relying on name calling and making inaccurate generalizations ("give everyone guns!") to make a point (or rather, fail to make a point) is "no way to live."

Besides training with and carrying self-defense tools, I also wear bike helmets & seat belts, and I own fire extinguishers & first-aid kits. I ascribe this to "being careful" and "being prepared." I don't feel fearful at all. If anything, I feel more free.

Karl

Anonymous
Fri Mar 19 2010 05:30
here's a cool little ad hominem: you gun idiots are out of your minds! how do we stop gun violence? give everyone guns! what a brilliant concept! hell, it's probably way more constructive to insult this type of stupidity rather than entertain it, anyways. people who choose not to walk around with a gun on them are people who choose not to live in fear. i almost feel bad for you guys. what a horrible way to live.
In response to the critics
Wed Mar 17 2010 13:14
Good article. I couldn't help noticing that the two critics of this article did not even attempt to dispute the facts of the article, but instead decided to use an ad hominem attack and a sarcastic comment. That is because they don't have evidence or logic on their side. What is that old legal saying? "If the facts are on your side, pound the facts. If the law is on your side, pound the law. If neither is on your side, pound the table." The critics of this article don't have the facts on their side (armed law-abiding citizens are a successful deterrent against crime) or the law on their side (the 2nd amendment gives us the right to bear arms AND legally-mandated gun-free zones are inherently dangerous), and so they can only pound the table and make silly insults. To them I would say, either come up with reasoned arguments, or accept that people have the right to keep themselves and others safe-- and go pound sand.
Anonymous
Wed Mar 17 2010 12:46
great article, man. real compelling stuff. i think we should also find a way to arm campus animals because, well, you just never know these days.
Anonymous
Wed Mar 17 2010 09:41
Excellent article!!
Karl Spaulding
Wed Mar 17 2010 09:22
One of the "anons" ad homonym-ed:

"if anyone asks me where all the degenerate morons are, i'll kindly direct them to this page."

Sounds like someone is too lazy to think, too ignorant to try to form a coherent argument, and too hateful to do anything but put others down with useless, meaningless insults.

"Hoplophobe": look it up. If you are ever inclined to gather information and participate in a discussion, address the work of Gary Kleck, John Lott, Joyce Lee Malcolm, James Wright, Peter Rossi, Kathleen Daly, William van Alstyne, Sanford Levinson, Don Kates, David Kopel, Glenn "Too Tall" Reynolds, Gary Mauser, Mary Zeiss Stange, David Mustard, Marc Gerz, David Hardy, hmmm, now I'll have to start looking some up...

Ever spent any time in the Law Library? Know what a professional journal is?

I bett U thott I jus gots my nolejj from the NRA, hey?

Karl

In their defense...
Tue Mar 16 2010 23:51
Are they degenerate morons because they care about their own safety and the safety of others? Are they degenerate morons because they want to actually do something about stopping assault, rape, and murder on campus? Or are they just degenerate morons because they think that the 2nd amendment isn't just a relic but a right that needs to be exercised to stop criminals from committing crimes? Cuz gosh, they certainly sound like degenerate morons to me. Nice ad hominem attack, though. Moron. See, I can do it too.
Anonymous
Tue Mar 16 2010 22:23
if anyone asks me where all the degenerate morons are, i'll kindly direct them to this page.
Anonymous
Tue Mar 16 2010 22:21
if anyone asks me where all the degenerate morons are, i'll kindly direct them to this page.
Anonymous
Tue Mar 16 2010 17:58
Great, well-written article. It's nice to know someone has the guts to say what many of us are thinking. I agree with you 100%. Thanks again for speaking up for all those who agree with you!
Anonymous
Mon Mar 15 2010 17:43
I agree completely. We need to be able to defend ourselves. We have that right almost everywhere, except on campus. Unsurprisingly, campus is where many of these violent incidents take place. We need to be able to defend ourselves!
Former LEO
Mon Mar 15 2010 14:09
Colleges and universities are never going to abandon the "liberal feel-good" mentality, and permit their students/faculty/staff/patrons to arm themselves for their own protection. Instead, they would like to rely on the tried and true mantra of the liberal - pass another law, so we can say we did something --- or take away another right of the law-abiding citizens, so we can pretend that it really addresses the problem. I KNOW --- let's put up a SIGN ! NO GUNS HERE ! Oh, that already didn't work.............well......................put up a second sign ---- or pass another law !!! There ! Feel better now ??????

Every time another Virginia Tech happens, I cringe. It was so senseless. Do you really think these shooters don't think about the fact that where they're going, NO ONE IS ARMED ??? They're criminals, or they're mentally deranged --- they're not all stupid. Evan Turner will dribble down the floor and take on the weakest defender. A person will naturally take the path of least resistance when choosing a place to shoot up. No great intellecual feat to figure that one out.

The responding writer above is also correct that all of the folks bemoaning the very suggestion that holders of Concealed Handgun Licenses (CHL) be permitted to protect themselves on a college campus would be horrified if they knew how many people around them are quietly carrying right now as we speak. At the strip mall--- at many shopping malls --- at the grocery ----just walking down the street ! Yes, you would be very surprised, indeed.

And the vast, vast majority of them would never DREAM of using that weapon for any reason but to protect their own lives, or the life of another, from someone who would do them harm. I carry --- I carry wherever I can. Not 3 weeks ago at Wal-Mart in Reynoldsburg, 3 "urban youths" were undoubtedly intent on mugging me in the parking lot at 4 in the afternoon --- until I exposed my .45 auto on my waist and put my hand on it. Didn't say a word. Didn't need to. They booked --- fast.

It can happen anywhere. Don't believe me, just ask any cop.

Law enforcement can't protect you from harm. Not enough of them --- too many of you. You have a responsibility to protect yourself -- and the state has a responsibility to permit you to reasonably protect yourself, even if you are at tOSU.

"When seconds count, the police are only minutes away"....................

Jerry Dunleavy is to be commended for his common sense, his rationality, and his clear head. Someone is going to get a fine employee in him upon his graduation. I only hope he continues to think for himself instead of bowing to liberal claptrap which does nothing to solve a problem and everything to exacerbate it.

Anonymous
Mon Mar 15 2010 14:06
Colleges and universities are never going to abandon the "liberal feel-good" mentality, and permit their students/faculty/staff/patrons to arm themselves for their own protection. Instead, they would like to rely on the tried and true mantra of the liberal - pass another law, so we can say we did something --- or take away another right of the law-abiding citizens, so we can pretend that it really addresses the problem. I KNOW --- let's put up a SIGN ! NO GUNS HERE ! Oh, that already didn't work.............well......................put up a second sign ---- or pass another law !!! There ! Feel better now ??????

Every time another Virginia Tech happens, I cringe. It was so senseless. Do you really think these shooters don't think about the fact that where they're going, NO ONE IS ARMED ??? They're criminals, or they're mentally deranged --- they're not all stupid. Evan Turner will dribble down the floor and take on the weakest defender. A person will naturally take the path of least resistance when choosing a place to shoot up. No great intellecual feat to figure that one out.

The responding writer above is also correct that all of the folks bemoaning the very suggestion that holders of Concealed Handgun Licenses (CHL) be permitted to protect themselves on a college campus would be horrified if they knew how many people around them are quietly carrying right now as we speak. At the strip mall--- at many shopping malls --- at the grocery ----just walking down the street ! Yes, you would be very surprised, indeed.

And the vast, vast majority of them would never DREAM of using that weapon for any reason but to protect their own lives, or the life of another, from someone who would do them harm. I carry --- I carry wherever I can. Not 3 weeks ago at Wal-Mart in Reynoldsburg, 3 "urban youths" were undoubtedly intent on mugging me in the parking lot at 4 in the afternoon --- until I exposed my .45 auto on my waist and put my hand on it. Didn't say a word. Didn't need to. They booked --- fast.

It can happen anywhere. Don't believe me, just ask any cop.

Law enforcement can't protect you from harm. Not enough of them --- too many of you. You have a responsibility to protect yourself -- and the state has a responsibility to permit you to reasonably protect yourself, even if you are at tOSU.

"When seconds count, the police are only minutes away"....................

Jerry Dunleavy is to be commended for his common sense, his rationality, and his clear head. Someone is going to get a fine employee in him upon his graduation. I only hope he continues to

Anonymous
Mon Mar 15 2010 12:59
A well written article, Mr. Dunleavy. I agree 100%!
Anonymous
Mon Mar 15 2010 12:54
at the best the police will be there 2 minutes and 1 second after you are dead,raped,robbed or beat up






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